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tejas
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I have a different outlook. One of the things I've learned in years and years of hunting is to expect the unexpected. Being over gunned just means some meat loss. Being under gunned is a deal breaker. I turned down a shot at a monster whitetail is South Texas several years ago. He was about 100 yds out and was walking away from me. I had a 7mm-08 using a 168 VLD hunting bullet, probably loaded to 2600 or so fps. If I had been carrying my 9.3X62 I'd have taken the shot-right in his a$$, and done it with confidence. It's loaded with a 250 gr TSX bullet at around 2450 fps. Plenty enough to reach his vitals.
A smaller sized bullet with a perfect shot is usually adequate. Hunting is completely different from hitting paper at the range though, and for me at least, the perfect shot never comes. You take the shot you have and use plenty of firepower. |
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supertool73
Optics God Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Status: Offline Points: 11814 |
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Your post seems to make my troll picture accurate. Its as if you are just looking for someone to debate u. I honestly dont see why any of this matters anyway. Who cares if a person thinks a .338 caliber is a good deer round. Or a 22-250 is a good deer round. If they hit the vitals the animal dies.
The down side to small calibers is if you hit a bone or have a quatering shot u make not get enough penetration. In those instances a heavier caliber would be benficial. But i have killed deer amd elk with smaller calibers and if u hit them in the right place the die. I also love hunting deer and elk with my 45-70. It puts a great big hole in them and bone slows them down little. Your argument about light rifles matters little either. Personally i love carring a light rifle my elk rifle weight 7ish lbs loaded out. Its a joy to carry. But i have another elk rifle that weights 11ish and it works just fine too. Caliber and rifle weight/style is all personal for the most part. Lots of success can be had with many different weapon setups. Lots of folks on this forum are into moderate short action calibers. Cause you are right, you dont need a canon to kill a deer. But if a person enjoys said canon, then why not? |
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Voodoo6
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Hey, my dog wants to know if he can join in this thread.
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Kickboxer
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I have, when it was legal, hunted deer with .22 short, .22 long, .22 long rifle (single shot Stevens rifle to begin and later with Winchester 94 .22)... killed 'em all, never had one get away. Most dropped on the spot. The illegality of hunting with .22 was created because many enter the woods just didn't have the skills... I've also hunted dove, quail, and squirrels with .22. I have also hunted and killed deer with .243, .270 (yuck), 30-30, .308, 30-06, 300WinMag, 7mmMag, 7mmSTW, .458WinMag, .458Lott (my FAVORITE deer rifle, by far) and a few others that belonged to friends (20 and 12 gauge shotguns), etc. I personally don't care what people hunt with as long as they are equal to the task... intended, well placed, humane shot that causes the least amount of suffering for the "prey". The .458's with 350-500gr round nose or solids cause the least amount of damage to meat that I have experienced with any round except the .22's. I'm anxious to try my 45-70 to see if I get the same result. Contrary to popular belief, deer ARE dangerous game: |
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Rancid Coolaid
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About the time this thread was being birthed, I was in the field in South Texas hunting white tail deer. I'll address a few things, in no particular order.
1. The entire thread seems to be based on someone's poor experiences with someone else regarding generalizations with which the original poster does not agree. In response, the original poster has now generated other generalizations. All of the generalizations could be very ill fitting, given any specific set of circumstances. As the signature says, "the plural of anecdote is not data." 2. I hunted this weekend with a gun that most would consider too much for the application (stalking and fixed-position shooting.) I chose it of personal preference, born of confidence with this gun in both shooting situations. I would not recommend my setup to anyone else, but it works great for me. This setup has taken probably 30 animals and all have been recovered. I probably could do much the same with less, but why mess with something that ain't broken. 3. That a caliber can do a thing does not mean the caliber should be called upon with regularity to do that thing. As said many times by many other hunters before, there is no suitable caliber for bad shot placement. 4. If something works for you, that doesn't mean it is best for everyone. Or every situation. Or anyone else, in point of fact. 5, The whole world is, as of late, butthurt by everything. 6. The original poster, above, uses the expression that something was "beyond me", which is a great expression. It means something is beyond your understanding or capacity, it does not mean the thing is wrong or untrue - just beyond you.
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supertool73
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Reading more on this. One reason target shooters and varmint shooters for that matter like big thick barrels is because that can shoot them more before they start getting hot enough to change your POI. My precision rifle has a heavy 19" barrel and I have shot 20 rounds fairly quick and my POI did not change. For shooting small groups and small animals (as is a pdog farm where you make shoot 500 rounds in a day) that is pretty much essential.
My 7lb 300 wsm only take 3 or 4 shots and that barrel is so hot you can hardly touch it. The POI shifts at that point. But for big game hunting, 90% of the time 3 shots is enough. Part of it is the light barrel and part of it is the magnum caliber. My 7mag is similar, just a few shot and the poi shifts. Some people like big heaver barrels/rifles because it tames the recoil. Then they can shoot a larger caliber and not be affected as much by the recoil. Your so called facts don't really seem like facts to me. On a slightly other subject. Is this Rustic again. Seems like it, as you are stirring the same ole pot |
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cheaptrick
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Rustic.....
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cheaptrick
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Did someone say...Rustic?!?!?
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supertool73
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Our boy rustic on another very similar topic.
http://www.opticstalk.com/ultra-light-arms_topic31808.html |
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cheaptrick
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Rustic makes me do this...
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chinarider
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you right about poi changing on you with a light barrel but on hunting rifles this should be a huge factor.
i have a custom built 6.5-284 that have a #2 barrel on it and i need to put about 8 rounds down range before this starts to take place. i have shot this hunting rifle in 1000yrd match 1 time before just for the fun of it. 5 shots all inside the 9 ring with 2 of them inside the 10X. I had taken 2 sight in shots so this was still under that 8 shot mark for me. the heavier barred rifles can be easier to get to shoot tight groups but this is not always the case my p/dog slash ground squirrel rifle is a 221 fireball that also has a light barrel on it and i use out to 600yrds . the 221 is very nice for this as it is a pretty small case and takes a lot of fast shooting . the guy i use to shoot with would spot for me then when i miss it is his turn . this works very well trading off like i think my longest string of shots is 11-12 so the 221 is still holding its zero very well. i even have a muzzle break on the 221 but its not for recoil but more so i can see where my shot hits . |
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