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I have a new 22-250 AI that I want to use for lamping and long range varmint work. I have had a look at the Swarovski 6-24 x 50. I would also like to look through a new zeiss 6-24, but these are not easy to find. I want to stick to 30mm tube as the gun has Talley bases on and I can't find anyone who will make a weaver/pictanny style base for it. The S&B 5-25 is not therefore useable.

Is there anything else I should be looking at that anyone can recommend???

I prefer duplex/No.4 or less busy reticules.

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Originally posted by Lord Windsor Lord Windsor wrote:

I have a new 22-250 AI that I want to use for lamping and long range varmint work. I have had a look at the Swarovski 6-24 x 50. I would also like to look through a new zeiss 6-24, but these are not easy to find. I want to stick to 30mm tube as the gun has Talley bases on and I can't find anyone who will make a weaver/pictanny style base for it. The S&B 5-25 is not therefore useable.

Is there anything else I should be looking at that anyone can recommend???

I prefer duplex/No.4 or less busy reticules.

 

Lord Windsor,

 

I have the Swarovski 6-24X50 and love it, except that I wish it had side focus instead of adjustable objective.  Otherwise, it is optically excellent!  For another excellent 30mm scope suitable for varminting in that magnification range, I would also highly recommend the Nightforce 5.5 - 22 NXS.  Nightforce offers more reticle styles than almost anyone else. 

www.nightforceoptics.com

However, since you said you wanted a duplex or #4 style reticle, they offer both.  I particularly like their NP-1 reticle, which is similar to a #4, except that the thick bars don't go all the way to the edge of the field, so it obstructs less of the target.

 



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lamping???  spot light?
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Thanks all for the assistance.


When talking about lamping, it is as stated, the use of a spot lamp when NV is not an option due to range and conditions.

As for Nightforce: Are these really any good?? I have looked through one many years ago and was not impressed. They seem to be a scope where you either like them or hate them. DO they compare well to Swaro or Zeiss?

As for the reticule, it looks absoluetly spot on for what I want though. I did not realise that they did a simple style reticule.


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The Gun is a model "T" Nesika Bay. So far I can find nothing that fits. Even Ken Farrell.
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Originally posted by tenxes tenxes wrote:

He does not have to use the Talley setup so opening up steel rings with some meat is an option.
As to the signatures, I have opened up 1" to 27.5mm (early Lymans) using exactly that method. You clamp the inserts in the rings and do it a bit at a time with a 1/2 low speed drill and a set of calipers. The plastic inserts have so much give that it is easy and they do self align. So don't be too quick to say "it can't be done" if you have not.
He still has not explained what 22-250 he has that only Talley bases are an option.Is there a modern bolt action rifle that Weaver bases are not made for?
Need more info.

 

I thought he said he already had Talley Rings, but I see he said Talley style bases.  At any rate, the difference between 1" (25.4mm) and 27.5mm is only 2.1mm.  There isn't enough material in the insert nor between the insert i.d. and the steel ring i.d. to accommodate 4mm of material removal to go from 30mm to 34mm.  I'm holding them in my hand as I speak.  I'd say you got somewhat lucky in making that work, as sandpaper wrapped around a dowel is not a precision way to make a hole, calipers or not, not to mention a perfectly straight hole that doesn't end up canting the scope in some direction.  Keep in mind Burris sells offset inserts in 0.005" increments, so although the inserts do have some "give," if 0.005" difference in insert thickness is enough to correct for elevation problems, then I don't see how one can accurately keep the i.d. of the insert concentric with the rings to less than 0.005" using sandpaper and a dowel as the tool.  I don't say this to attack or in any way demean you, I just don't think this is a workable option.  You can bore or ream open a set of steel rings to a larger size, but 4mm is a lot of material to remove, and you will have to maintain the proper gap between the upper and lower halves of the rings plus somehow stabilize the upper ring half while doing so.  Therefore you will have to put the rings in some sort of purpose built fixture to do this.  Yes, I am a machinist.

 

Lord Windsor, I have a Nesika Model T action.  I'm not certain, but I believe it uses the same bases as a Remington 700.  I'm not at home at the moment or I'd measure it to be sure.  If you can give me the receiver diameter and hole spacing of your front and rear mounts, I can probably tell you what mounts will fit it (Nesika being a custom action, yours may not be the same as mine).  If your Nesika came with mount bases, they are probably Davidson style bases, in which case Kelbly and Jewell, among others make 30mm rings for them.  You can order these rings from Sinclair International (1-800-717-8211) or http://www.sinclairintl.com/scopes.html

They can also help you in determining alternative bases that fit the Nesika.



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Originally posted by Lord Windsor Lord Windsor wrote:

As for Nightforce: Are these really any good?? I have looked through one many years ago and was not impressed. They seem to be a scope where you either like them or hate them. DO they compare well to Swaro or Zeiss?


 

Yes, I have compared mine directly to Zeiss, Swarovski, and IOR and it stacks up well against all of them to my eyes.  I found its optics to be pretty close to IOR and perhaps a slight step below Swaro and Zeiss.  I haven't heard many negative comments on Nightforce at all, so I can only assume that maybe you either looked through a bad example, or it wasn't focused properly.  They are one of the dominant brand scopes in 1000yd benchrest competition, so they are obviously held in high regard for precision shooting.  But as always, your mileage may vary.

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Originally posted by Lord Windsor Lord Windsor wrote:

The Gun is a model "T" Nesika Bay. So far I can find nothing that fits. Even Ken Farrell.

 

O.K.  I checked on the Nesika website and the reciever diameter is 1.35" (34.29mm) for the Model T, so it is indeed the same dia as the Remington 700 receiver.  So I called Richard at Nesika and he told me that both the front and rear Nesika mounts use the same hole spacing as a front Rem 700 base.  The only difference is Remington uses 6-48 base screws and Nesika uses 8-40 screws, so you can use any brand mount bases if you order 2 front bases for a Remington 700 and enlarge the screw holes and counterbores to accept #8 socket head cap screws (0.180" or slightly larger than 4.5mm dia for the screw holes and 5/16" or 8mm dia for the screw head counterbore).  Again, be sure to specify 2 front bases for the Rem700, not a base set for the 700, as the 700's rear base hole spacing is too narrow.



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Originally posted by Lord Windsor Lord Windsor wrote:

The Gun is a model "T" Nesika Bay. So far I can find nothing that fits. Even Ken Farrell.

 

O.K.  I checked on the Nesika website and the reciever diameter is 1.35" (34.29mm) for the Model T, so it is indeed the same dia as the Remington 700 receiver.  So I called Richard at Nesika and he told me that both the front and rear Nesika mounts use the same hole spacing as a front Rem 700 base.  The only difference is Remington uses 6-48 base screws and Nesika uses 8-40 screws, so you can use any brand mount bases if you order 2 front bases for a Remington 700 and enlarge the screw holes and counterbores to accept #8 socket head cap screws (0.180" or slightly larger than 4.5mm dia for the screw holes and 5/16" or 8mm dia for the screw head counterbore).  Again, be sure to specify 2 front bases for the Rem700, not a base set for the 700, as the 700's rear base hole spacing is too narrow.



RifleDude.
Thanks very much for that. I called Nesika a few weeks ago and was not told that. I may have not explained my question correctly.


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Originally posted by Lord Windsor Lord Windsor wrote:

RifleDude.
Thanks very much for that. I called Nesika a few weeks ago and was not told that. I may have not explained my question correctly.


 

No problem.  Keep us posted on what you decide for your scope and mounts.  If you get a chance, I would like to see some pics of your new rig!  Good luck!

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Hey Lord Windsor...did you ever get a scope and mounts for your Nesika?  Just curious of how that worked out for you.
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