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My son-in-law can see in the dark without a flashlight. When the sun goes behind a cloud I need a flash light.

The two scopes in the following photos are compared one right after the other so both were in the same light. What a difference! The Bushnell has been used in at least two seasons. The Swarovski came out of the box today.

The first scope setting is when I had the Bushnell on the lowest setting I could read the words on the pump house 127 yards away. The second is the same for me with the Swarovski.

The third photo is my son-in-law's setting with the Bushnell and the forth photo is his setting with the Swarovski.

We did this prior top sunset. Saturday I will do a line test.








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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/20/2011 at 22:02
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:


  Please stand by... evaluating...evaluating.... " shock advised "
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I don't understand this test at all.  What are we testing?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/20/2011 at 23:04
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Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

I don't understand this test at all.  What are we testing?
 
The difference between two hunter's need for magnification to see the same thing.  The previous same model Swarovski could do the same thing for me on 9 1/2X.
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Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:


  Please stand by... evaluating...evaluating.... " shock advised "
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:


  Please stand by... evaluating...evaluating.... " shock advised "
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Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:


  Please stand by... evaluating...evaluating.... " shock advised "
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Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

When the sun goes behind a cloud I need a flash light.

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So you admit it.........YOUR F'IN BLIND!  and thus your "reviews" mean exactly NOTHING.

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I cant wait to see the results of the line test Saturday.  Will you be using 20 Lb  or 30 Lb monofilament to attach the scopes to your rifle?
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

So you admit it.........YOUR F'IN BLIND!  and thus your "reviews" mean exactly NOTHING.

Your statement is inaccurate.  His reviews are based on observations that do have some value for the blind.

Should Ray Charles, Jeff Healy, Jose Feliciano, or Ronnie Milsap ever need an hunting optic, I would point them toward Rich.


With Rich's fine example, I am now considering posting reviews as Sweet Koolaid, from the perspective of a person with 10 thumbs who cannot pronounce the letters "r", "l", or "th" and who used base-26 mathematics.

Rock on, Rich.
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Rich before you get to into your test.  I hope you do realize that the numbers on the dial are not always an accurate representation of the actual mag.  They are mostly just estimates.  The only two for sure mags on a scope dial are the top and bottom ones.  That is why when you look through two different scopes set on the same number they might not look like they are at the same mag.

So that alone will make your test pretty much meaningless.  So I would suggest not even bothering with the results. Bucky
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

So I would suggest not even bothering US with the results. Bucky
 
 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Rich before you get to into your test.  I hope you do realize that the numbers on the dial are not always an accurate representation of the actual mag.  They are mostly just estimates.  The only two for sure mags on a scope dial are the top and bottom ones.  That is why when you look through two different scopes set on the same number they might not look like they are at the same mag.

So that alone will make your test pretty much meaningless.  So I would suggest not even bothering with the results. Bucky

I made the same point back in November, it seems if he hasn't learned it yet, it must not be true.

Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Additionally, you need to verify the magnification of each scope.  Most manufacturers set the top min and max power, then put the rest on in a semi- "at will" manner.  So, on that 5-20, I doubt the 10X is a true 10X, this needs to be tested and verified.

There are a few additional points that could be made, but i don't see that it would help.

Carry on, Rich.
 
Folks who walk into a store have no way of verifying anything except what looks good to them.  The manufactorers generally have only one shot at impressing the customer.  They set the magnification to what it is labeled and calll it good.  When I pay $1659 for a Swarovski I expect it to be labeled correctly.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Your statement is inaccurate.  His reviews are based on observations that do have some value for the blind.

Should Ray Charles, Jeff Healy, Jose Feliciano, or Ronnie Milsap ever need an hunting optic, I would point them toward Rich.


With Rich's fine example, I am now considering posting reviews as Sweet Koolaid, from the perspective of a person with 10 thumbs who cannot pronounce the letters "r", "l", or "th" and who used base-26 mathematics.

Rock on, Rich.

Hahaha...you slay me, RC. Laugh
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Your statement is inaccurate.  His reviews are based on observations that do have some value for the blind.

Should Ray Charles, Jeff Healy, Jose Feliciano, or Ronnie Milsap ever need an hunting optic, I would point them toward Rich.


With Rich's fine example, I am now considering posting reviews as Sweet Koolaid, from the perspective of a person with 10 thumbs who cannot pronounce the letters "r", "l", or "th" and who used base-26 mathematics.

Rock on, Rich.

Hahaha...you slay me, RC. Laugh

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Funny stuff. 

One more comment, even with two scope set to the exact same (verified) magnification, your brain can perceive the magnification differently even the scopes have different fields of view.

Otherwise, I am just here to tag the thread and see where this lunacy takes us next.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Funny stuff. 

One more comment, even with two scope set to the exact same (verified) magnification, your brain can perceive the magnification differently even the scopes have different fields of view.

Otherwise, I am just here to tag the thread and see where this lunacy takes us next.

ILya


I takes us here. 

http://opticstalk.com/6500-vs-z5_topic27249.html
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I believe his point was simply to show the differences between his son-in-law's eyesight as compared to his and the fact he required more magnification to see the same thing.  While the point has been well taken that the mag range is an approximation, the two scopes are actually quite similar in each persons test.  Maybe I am missing something being relatively new, but it sounds like you guys are being a little harsh on Rich.  If I am missing something I apologize and just let me know.
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Hang aroud awhile, quaterbore, and maybe you can learn how to be a smart alec like most of these fellows.  Just the other day I pointed a new guy over at www.24hourcampfire.com this way 'cause he posted the same kind of foolishness most of the guys here do.
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Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Hang aroud awhile, quaterbore, and maybe you can learn how to be a smart alec like most of these fellows.  Just the other day I pointed a new guy over at www.24hourcampfire.com this way 'cause he posted the same kind of foolishness most of the guys here do.

Well, thanks for putting up with our sophomoric, tom foolery, Rich. Howdy 
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Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Hang aroud awhile, quaterbore, and maybe you can learn how to be a smart alec like most of these fellows.  Just the other day I pointed a new guy over at www.24hourcampfire.com this way 'cause he posted the same kind of foolishness most of the guys here do.

Rich, I've neglected to comment on your posts (although I find them to be mostly incomprehensible) trying to determine what it is you are attempting to get get across.  IF your intent is to say "I'm a guy with very poor vision and I want to give you my 2 cents on how I percieve things through very good quality to low quality scopes, then please say so directly so you will quit misleading others with what appears to be extremely poor , often skewed and erroneous, "information".  
I said that to say this, there is a general consensus (I'm not big on consensus, but in this case I'll go along) that your observations are incorrect and the conclusions you draw are therefore erroneous.  That is, unchallenged, detrimental to those without a lot of optics experience.  They might believe what you have to say applies to other than, perhaps, your single case.  The consensus comes from a group of highly experienced and knowledgeable individuals.  Your comment "cause he posted the same kind of foolishness most of the guys here do." is out of line.  You can disagree with OT members and it is within your "rights" to BELIEVE your experiences emulate those of the general population... they do not and you need to clarify your observations, making it CLEAR that what you see is through very poor eyesight.  Realistically, you should post a heading disclaimer with every post you make "My vision is extremely poor and my results will not be indicative of those achieved by the general population".  You also need to tone down your disparaging comments.  
What you are reporting may well be "real" for you, but it is not the "reality state" for anyone else I know, certainly not the greatest number of members of this forum.  Although I wish you had better eyesight, and have been interested in some of how you "see things", I truly hope the perspective you have remains your own...

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