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I have been using an old fixed scope on my rifle since it was passed down to me on my 10th birthday.  The rifle is a ruger m77 .243 classic with the tang safety.  I've decided to invest in a new scope before the season opens up this fall.  I'm trying to stay reasonably cheap without sacrificing basic quality.  Let me know what you think.
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Budget?
At what range are you going to be shooting?
Do you want fixed again or variable power?
I am guessing that you have 1 inch rings.


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i'd start with
1. define your price range
2. how many yards are you shooting
3. under what conditions, perfect or rough?
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Yes 1 inch rings.
I'd prefer to stay under $150 if possible and I'm not particular on if it's fixed or not.  I mainly take my shots at 250yards max. 
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If you are hard set on spending $150, this might work.  Members here have the scope and like it.

Vortex 2-7x32 Viper Rifle Scope V-Plex Vortex 2-7x32 Viper Rifle Scope
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id recommend the same, you're getting more like a $250-300 scope.  most of the stuff in the $150 price range is junk.  If you want 3-9x40 I'd recommend the Vortex Diamondback as best deal @$200 price range, however it is a step lower in their line than the Viper.  It is still a great scope too, however.  The one i looked through at my local cabelas bargain cave (priced $150) didn't have anything noticibly wrong or odd, and i'm sure it would function just the same for your use.  The viper line does have a supposedly better manufacturing process however.
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+1 for the viper. my second choice would be Redfield revolution

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I am stuck between Vortex Viper 2-7x32, Redfield 2-7x32mm or Nitrex TR One 1.5-5x32mm. It’s for Tikka 300WSM I would hunt deer in thick stuff and shoot for fun. Any other suggestions would be welcomed.

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OF those three I woudl go with the Viper with the C3 reticle followed by the redfield
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Thanks for the advice from what I am reading for the money Vortex Viper is the best bang for the buck. My budget is larger but unless there is good enough reason to spend $500-700. I can save the money.

 

I am new to posting on forums and I think I owe Meriorage an apology if I hijacked his post. Maybe I should have created a new one.

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Meriorage - +2 on the viper!  Bang for your buck on the discounted ones is huge.  2x7 should be plenty for up to 250 yds.  What power is your current fixed power scope?

 
Smiley - Vortex or even the SS 3x9.  Both are built and tested to take .50 cal.  I imagine the 300 is a kicker?  If you are hunting in the thick stuff, you certainly want a low end with wide field of view.
 
Either brand has a lifetime, no excuses, warranty.
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Originally posted by Smileydawg1 Smileydawg1 wrote:

Thanks for the advice from what I am reading for the money Vortex Viper is the best bang for the buck. My budget is larger but unless there is good enough reason to spend $500-700. I can save the money.

 

I am new to posting on forums and I think I owe Meriorage an apology if I hijacked his post. Maybe I should have created a new one.

definately zero reason to spend that much when you can get the viper at $170.  hell, buy three of them if you feel like spending.  one of each reticle.  Excellent
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Yes.  The Viper--- while it is on sale.  Otherwise, the Redfield!!  ( Manufactured by Leupold with all that Leupold guarantee. )   Big Grin
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The vortex is a popular deal and would be a good buy. The other real value scope out there right now IMHO is the Pentax pioneer for $109. I have had a couple of them for a few months now and I'm pretty impressed for the price.Good optics and a nice fit and finish. Time will tell but if they crap out in a few years I really didn't pay that much for them. I have a feeling though that 10-15 years from now I'll still be going strong.
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Originally posted by meriorage meriorage wrote:

I have been using an old fixed scope on my rifle since it was passed down to me on my 10th birthday.  The rifle is a ruger m77 .243 classic with the tang safety.  I've decided to invest in a new scope before the season opens up this fall.  I'm trying to stay reasonably cheap without sacrificing basic quality.  Let me know what you think.
 
Since you want to save some money and get a good enough scope, I would go with either a 2 1/2-10X Target/Varminter or 4-16X Tasco World Class.  I have scopes from these two clear up to a NightForce.  The 4-16X has been on a .340 for years.  No problems.
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meriorage,

I do not want to rehash some other threads, and I mean no disrespect to Rich Coyle, but please stay away from Tasco World Class riflescopes.  Also stay away from anything from BSA, Barska, Simmons, and NCStar.

Occasionally a purchaser of those brands will get a specimen that performs adequately, but many have poor optical performance, and still more fail completely.  I know because I have seen it with friends and family.  I finally got my dad into a K Series Weaver after his Tasco WC failed, and the replacement WC failed.

Redfield and Pentax are good places to start, but that Vortex is the best bet for the money.

With these brands the deal is reverse:  Occasionally a purchaser gets a lemon, but odds are they get a quality product, and when it is a lemon, the manufacturer makes it right.
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

meriorage,

I do not want to rehash some other threads, and I mean no disrespect to Rich Coyle, but please stay away from Tasco World Class riflescopes.  Also stay away from anything from BSA, Barska, Simmons, and NCStar.

Occasionally a purchaser of those brands will get a specimen that performs adequately, but many have poor optical performance, and still more fail completely.  I know because I have seen it with friends and family.  I finally got my dad into a K Series Weaver after his Tasco WC failed, and the replacement WC failed.

Redfield and Pentax are good places to start, but that Vortex is the best bet for the money.

With these brands the deal is reverse:  Occasionally a purchaser gets a lemon, but odds are they get a quality product, and when it is a lemon, the manufacturer makes it right.
 
How 'bout Burris' Signature line?  Is that a better scope than the Tasco?  I had three 8-32X Burris Signatures fail.  I replaced them with Tasco and never had a problem.  Four of my rifles had Tascos.  My son-in-law has a Tasco on his 7 Mag.  None of them are giving uis any trouble.  My other son-in-law had a 4-12 Burris on his rifle.  When it failed I suggested a 4-16X Tasco.  That was years ago.  The Tasco is still going strong.
 
How 'bout Swarovski and Nikon?  Read through these treads and you will see folks complaining that their scopes get blurry when they turn the magnification up.  I dont' have that problem with any of the Tascos.
 
How 'bout Leupold?  How many folks brag about how great the repair service is?  That's because their scopes failed in one way or another.
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I have had 5 Tasco world class scopes break on Ruger .22s.  On 3 of them the internal lenses fell out and are rattling around in the scope.  5 of them on .22s, that is not very good odds.  Loco
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I am as big a "defender" of low dollar scopes as there is, at least in these parts.  However, my reason is if one wants to try out some particular "features", a low dollar scope is often a good option before jumping into a much higher priced optic just to find that you don't like something in particular.  I've had several "cheap" scopes that worked well, and continue to and when someone is looking at the low end already, i sometimes advise them to not rule out some of those I have had good success with.  HOWEVER, there is not a case where I would CHOOSE a Barska, an NcStar, a Tasco over a Nikon, Swarovski, Zeiss, etc for any serious shooting. 
It's ridiculous to suggest that a Tasco is even in the same comparison league with a Swarovski... the best (working) Tasco vs the WORST (working) Swarovski... Swaro will always win. 


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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I am as big a "defender" of low dollar scopes as there is, at least in these parts.  However, my reason is if one wants to try out some particular "features", a low dollar scope is often a good option before jumping into a much higher priced optic just to find that you don't like something in particular.  I've had several "cheap" scopes that worked well, and continue to and when someone is looking at the low end already, i sometimes advise them to not rule out some of those I have had good success with.  HOWEVER, there is not a case where I would CHOOSE a Barska, an NcStar, a Tasco over a Nikon, Swarovski, Zeiss, etc for any serious shooting. 
It's ridiculous to suggest that a Tasco is even in the same comparison league with a Swarovski... the best (working) Tasco vs the WORST (working) Swarovski... Swaro will always win. 
Good post Dan.
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If you have an old fixed power scope that has worked well and you really want to upgrade you probably should plan on spending more money.  The scopes I would suggest you consider are the sale priced 2-7 Vortex Viper with BDC reticle,  The 3-9 Zeiss Conquest,  and the 6x42 Super Sniper. If you want more power then you should look at the Bushnell 4200 scopes and the other Vortex Viper models.
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meriorage,

Seriously, just get the Viper 2-7X32.  It is a nice match for a .243.

Smileydawg,

Seriously, just get a Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40.  It is a nice match for a 300 WSM.

I have these two scopes and easily recommend them.
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Thanks for the help. What reticle on a Conquest? Rapid Z 600, #4 or Zplex. I like something that gives me a fast target acquisition. I have taken deer on dead run.

 

I am new to bolt guns and optics but I am Competitive handgun shooter USPSA, IDPA, Steel Challenge. I am not trying to brag but I am a Master class shooter. I call my shots even with an optic.

 
Calling shots is just seeing sights or cross hairs on the target when the gun goes off you can’t blink during the process of putting sights on target, focus is sight target is fuzzy while the shot breaks, where the sights start to lift is where the bullet is going to hit. Eyes stay open all the way through recoil until the sights settle back down. Hard to explain but it’s great when you start to do it. Took me about 50,000 rounds of ammo and practice.
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I think the number 4 would be the fastest option and easiest transition from pistol shooting. The Rapid Z is an excellent reticle for shooting long range, but requires a pretty big investment of time and energy to tune it to your particular load. I recommend the #4 as the best all-around fast reticle choice.
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