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I am considering a Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-10 X56 scope for my Rock river 308. I am thinking the mildot crosshair with the green light. I will be useing this rifle in the Arkansas Ozarks for deer. Lots of woods and pasture. I am not sure what color would show up the best. Does anyone have experience with which color shows the best contrast? Anyone use the BAC reticle?
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Green definitely, without any preference being involved.  People are wary of it at times thinking it will blend in too much with green foliage but it will not blend in/wash out at all.  Bright green will attract your eyes/brain the most for shots where you don't have much time or are in bad conditions and you are intensely focused on the target.

The BAC concept works best with bold, bright illuminated reticles but also with nice, thick standard reticles in non-illuminated scopes.  Should always keep both eyes open with any optic or open sights regardless, it's always best.  Relax more and your body and concentration remain more steady, better awareness of surroundings to notice the wind gusts/changes, more animals/targets in the area, other hunters crossing, etc.

Saw a couple reviews recently of the Leupold VX-R Patrol that you might want to check out, it has an illuminated mil-dot reticle and it sounds pretty dang good for a decent amount less money than a new Trijicon.

Edit to add: here's a link to the Leupold, also has .1 mil turrets to go along with the reticle http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx

I think I would get this or the SS 3-9x42 with new Mil-Quad reticle before the Trijicon. With the SS you trade the illumination for a mil reticle that works at all magnification powers and the new reticle should be plenty bold for most quick shots/bad, dark conditions.


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I have the green triangle in a 3-9 X 40. Works perfectly. 
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Red is the color of choice for lack of impact on human vision... if you are planning on using night vision devices and keep the intensity low, gree/bluegreen is the color of choice.  Eyes... red, NVG-devices...green (low intensity).  Green will have the same impact as white light on vision reduction at moderate to high intensity...
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I had the green triangle.  I really liked it, it worked great for any light condition.  
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I guess it all depends on what one is getting the scope for... doesn't matter how well it "works" in what external light conditions because that is a completely subjective assessment.  
Green light will ALWAYS impact night vision more than red light... red light is still and will be for a long time to come, the choice for LACK of negative impact on vision in low-light/dark conditions.  Red light does not impact the rod cells, green light does.  However, at low intensity of the green light (I don't care what the light conditions outside are) it has a minor impact on vision, but as intensity is increased, the impact on vision is increased.  Not so with red light... HOWEVER, again, if one is intending on using night vision devices coupled with the scope, green is the preferred light color because it interacts better with the NV optics, it's why it was introduced originally.  I didn't see that night vision devices would be a requirement for the deer hunting application.  

I have a number of green IR's, red IR's, and a couple that go both ways, some that are "celibate"...  I've had blue and blue-green, and while "sexy", they don't really do much except make you night blind at any kind of intensity.  

Green light will decrease your night vision (at anything other than low intensity), but since you are hunting, that won't matter...

If you ever hunt hogs in Texas, it might...  
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Had the 2.5-10 with red BAC, liked it.  As the regulars know, I will throw this out: I could not place shots as precisely with the BAC reticle as I can with conventional crosshairs.  Some say the BAC is more accurate for them than crosshairs, to each, his own.

For an AR in 308, the scope is about perfect.  It is a bit on the big side (and the 3-9 is cheaper and does everything almost as good), but it is bright and clear.

For mounting, I'd look at the American Defense mounts, very good quality, good return-to-zero.  Bobro makes a mount that would work too.

Have you ever mounted an optic on an AR?


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I have one of the compact ACOG's in a fixed 3x red crosshair which I really like. It's mounted in a La Rue  RCO mount which brings it back further. It's a traditional looking crosshair but all red plain simple precise compact optic that is really deadly and it will work with the Bindon Aiming Concept.
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I have an Acog 3.5 with Green chevron with a Larue mount on an AR15 that I like better than my aimpoint red dot as far as a stand out color with my eyes.I have spoken to the good people at Trijicon & they told me that the best color for hunting is Green.
 
I think most of this is subjective as everyone's eyes are different.Also,like RC,I prefer the traditional cross hair for a little more precise shooting.
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Thanks for the input. I have been shooting this rifle with iron sites for about a year. Saving up to put a good scope on it. I have never mounted a scope on an AR style rifle before and this should prove interesting. Its hard to buy the scope as whatever I buy I will be stuck with for a while so I want it to be good.

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Forgot to add. I looked at the American defense mounts. Which one would you recommend for the 2.5-10 X 56? They look like quality mounts.
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Another vote for the green.
 
I posted about this some time ago, I don't have any actual experience with the different colored reticles, but I had a chance to compare alot of scopes side by side at Gander Mountain.
 
I figured the green would wash-out in the field, but after comparing it to the amber and red options, the green dot is what I picked-up the quickest and easiest.


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I had an Accupoint 5-20 with green dot mil dot reticle and liked that setup.  The nice thing about the mil dot with illuminated (green) center is that you can close the fiber optic window and get no illumination in full sun.  You only see the dot in low light, and it is a very fine aiming point.

As for mounts, the American Defense Recon mount would be my choice (and has been.)  Be sure to get the 30mm version if you get the Accupoint 2.5-10.

If money is tight, don't hesitate to get the 3-9 Accupoint, it is quite bright, much smaller, and less expensive.  I have the amber BAC in a 3-9 on a deer rifle and like it allot.  Comparing the 2.5-10 and 3-9 side-by-side, I gained maybe an extra 2 minutes of shooting time with the 2.5-10.  How much is that 2 minutes worth: that is the question.
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I have (or have had) red, amber, and green; 2.5-10, 3-9, and 5-20.  At this point, I'd pick the green dot and the 3-9.  I've posted before about the difference in utility between the 3-9 and the 2.5-10, and, like RC said, you don't gain much from the bigger scope.  And it's significantly bigger.  The 3-9 fits nicely on an AR.  I've used the green dot for hunting at night in Texas for a while now, and it's never affected my night vision in an appreciable, functional way.  I used a green flashlight in the woods for a week or so, and it did, so I went back to red, but no problem with the green dot.
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Keep in mind that if you're planning to get the mil dot reticle, red isn't available; only green and amber.  For that matter, red is only available in the BAC triangle reticle.  Between green and amber, I'd probably opt for green.  Trijicon states that green is the most readily visible color to the human eye of the 3 choices. 

I have 2 Accupoint scopes (1.25-4X24 and 3-9X40), both with amber triangle reticles, and they contrast very well against any setting and light condition.  When I bought mine, green wasn't an available option.
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I am quite happy with the green dot / mildot

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Which Accupoint do you have? I am starting to wonder if I should get the 3-9 x40 instead of the 2.5-10 X 56. The size of the 3 x 9 is better but the added brightness of the 2.5-10 x 56. It is a trade off but I am not sure what to do. It would be nice to take them both hunting and then pick the one you want.
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I've hunted with both the 2.5-10 and the 3-9, primarily at night, and didn't see any appreciable difference in them.  I've not taken a shot at night in excess of 140 yds that I can remember, and most have been 100 yds or less (most have been under a lighted feeder or using a red light).  If you're anticipating small targets at longer ranges and/or in very low light or at night fairly often, the bigger scope might be helpful, but for general purposes, you might like the 3-9 a lot better.
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Originally posted by penguin6 penguin6 wrote:

I've hunted with both the 2.5-10 and the 3-9, primarily at night, and didn't see any appreciable difference in them.  I've not taken a shot at night in excess of 140 yds that I can remember, and most have been 100 yds or less (most have been under a lighted feeder or using a red light).  If you're anticipating small targets at longer ranges and/or in very low light or at night fairly often, the bigger scope might be helpful, but for general purposes, you might like the 3-9 a lot better.
 
+1 the 3-9x40 with green crosshair is a GREAT all around scope, especially if you hunt low light like I do for hogs
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