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Im looking for a 3-9x 40mm and these are the two scopes im looking at, im considering the acupoint because of the fact that i sometimes need to take fast shots, so if you can give me your honest opinion i would be very thankful.
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And do you think that the eye relief on teh accupoint is enough?
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for a 300 WSM sorry i forgot that
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I think it's enough eye relief  3.6 inches at 3x down to 3.2 inches at 9x. Killing moving game is not about how perfect glass is its about getting the bullet to strike where you want it to.  The fact is that a bright reticle gets you on target fast. If it didnt why would the military use them in combat where people shoot back. Eaven though conquest is awesome glass I dont own any I own trijicons and am buying more.  I will mention that the 2.5-10 has more eye relief and while I dont under normal conditions choose a 56mm I have to say that I absolutely love the 2.5-10x56 Trijicon.


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Depends on which reticle you get in the Conquest and shot distances. I've owned both and prefer the Accupoint. The Conquest duplex reticle is very contrasting due to it being etched on the glass. The Accupoint triangle reticle is very easy to get on target. For long range precision I'd vote Conquest. For the woods I'd go Accupoint but in the 1.25-4x24 for both eyes open shooting. I've never had a problem geting on game quickly with the Conquest though. So Conquest with a Rapid Z if taking longer shots (+400yds). Otherwise Accupoint.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:


I will mention that the 2.5-10 has more eye relief...


But only on the low end of the zoom range.  At 10X, it only has 2.8" of eye relief, and nominal ER varies widely from low to high magnification.  The 3-9X40 has less variation in ER from low to high, at 3.6" - 3.2", so it's almost as if it has fixed ER.  In practical use, the 2.5-10 really doesn't provide an ER advantage over the 3-9X40, because they're about the same in the middle of the power range, and at max mag., the 3-9X40 has more.


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Conquest is better.
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I think the choice depends not only on the hunting environment and average shot distances, but also on how you view illuminated reticles in general.  The Accupoint's reticle is always lit, even in the daytime.  Since it isn't electronically controlled, you can't turn it off.  That fact can also be viewed as an advantage over other lit reticles.

Those are 2 very different scopes, both excellent.  The Conquest has more reticle options, fixed eye relief, and in general, greater eye relief.  The Accupoint reticle provides faster target acquisition and much better visibility in low light due to illumination.  If you choose the triangle post BAC reticle in the Accupoint, it obscures less of the target than conventional plex type reticles, but isn't a good choice for holdover in comparison to the Rapid Z option for the Conquest.

I own and use scopes from both series.  In my opinion, neither is better than the other in an absolute sense.  If you hunt a lot in very low light, the Accupoint's lit reticle provides a definite advantage over the Conquest.  The Conquest is better for long range shooting due to reticle choices.  Optically, they are about the same.


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do you think that the 3.2 inch eye relief will be high enough for a 300 WSM?
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I think the choice depends not only on the hunting environment and average shot distances, but also on how you view illuminated reticles in general.  The Accupoint's reticle is always lit, even in the daytime.  Since it isn't electronically controlled, you can't turn it off.  That fact can also be viewed as an advantage over other lit reticles.

Those are 2 very different scopes, both excellent.  The Conquest has more reticle options, fixed eye relief, and in general, greater eye relief.  The Accupoint reticle provides faster target acquisition and much better visibility in low light due to illumination.  If you choose the triangle post BAC reticle in the Accupoint, it obscures less of the target than conventional plex type reticles, but isn't a good choice for holdover in comparison to the Rapid Z option for the Conquest.

I own and use scopes from both series.  In my opinion, neither is better than the other in an absolute sense.  If you hunt a lot in very low light, the Accupoint's lit reticle provides a definite advantage over the Conquest.  The Conquest is better for long range shooting due to reticle choices.  Optically, they are about the same.
Agreed! 110%. Yes I do think the eye relief will be enough unless you don't plant the rifle correctly. Then you will just have a good story to tell! Wink
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Be advised: Zeiss recommends only 30mm tubes and higher on any magnum rifle - so Zeiss would tell you NOT to mount that Conquest on a WSM.  I had a Conquest on a 300WM with no problems, but know that Zeiss recommends against it.

Trijicon told me the 1" was fine on amagnum.

I own both, I really like both.  As said before, for low light and quick shooting, the Accupoint wins.  For precision and long range, the Zeiss wins.


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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Be advised: Zeiss recommends only 30mm tubes and higher on any magnum rifle - so Zeiss would tell you NOT to mount that Conquest on a WSM. 


 
Might this be because their 30MM scopes command big dollars? Just curious. Seems like a good way to make a buck.


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I just boiught a new Conquest two weeks ago at the Sports show In Harrisburg, PA.  Zeiss Company folks were there and I specoificly asked if the Conquest was suitable for magnum rofles.  They said absolutely and questioned why I asked.  Told them I heard it on the web.  They gave me a nice hat and said if I had any problems send the scope back and they would replace it. 
 
My 300 now wears a 3.5 X 10 X44.
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I don't know if these scopes compare directly.


The whole catch with the Trijicon is the illumination. That triangle is super fast to acquire and place on target. It is a true day or night reticle. No need for batteries. Always works. That's the bread and butter of Trijicon.


For illumination, Trijicon. If you don't care about illumination - then Conquest for it's superior image quality. Don't get me wrong, the Accupoint is no sloutch when it comes to glass. It is a very clear, good quality scope. In my opinion, it is highly underrated across the web and also on this forum (including the optics rating scale). That's my $0.02. But the Zeiss is better. It is clearer edge to edge, and the etched reticles are just plain nice.


They both have plenty of eye relief.


I've never had to use Zeiss' customer service. But I did use Trijicon's. They had my scope back in 5 working days (not broken, was a tiny mark on a lens inside), no questions asked. Service is A+ top notch.


You can't go wrong with either. Choosing between these two is a win for you. I love both of them. They are my two favorite scopes.


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Personally, I couldn't tell a dime's worth of difference between these two scopes image quality-wise.

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The Trijicon AccuPoint is made in the very best optics factory in Japan, the one that makes the Bushnell Elites, both scopes and binoculars, and also some of the finest camera lenses on earth. If there is any major difference between their optics and the Conquest glass (which is mostly made in the Czech Republic, not Germany) then I would be surprised.
 
The illuminated reticle of the Trijicon can indeed be "turned off," and up and down. There is a sliding window on the top of the scope that controls how much light hits the reticle.
 
How far you can shoot stuff with the Trijicon reticle depends on both the shooter and the type of reticle. But I have killed prairie dogs at over 500 yards with the triangle-tip psot reticle in a Trijicon, and they also off a plex-with-dots types reticle with the center of the crosshairs lit.
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im just still a little worried about the 3'2 at 9x, thats a little too close for comfort. im not that big
5'9 160, so i think i might just throw a conquest on it.
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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

The illuminated reticle of the Trijicon can indeed be "turned off," and up and down. There is a sliding window on the top of the scope that controls how much light hits the reticle.
 
 
Yes, but even when you close the fiber optic window completely so no sunlight hits the fiber optics, the tritium lamp kicks in and is still providing illumination to the fiber optics.  It's very faint in the daytime, but it is always lit.
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I called Zeiss, Swaro, and Trijicon one day and asked about the 1" tube scopes on heavy-recoil guns.  Zeiss and Swaro Tech Service both said no 1" tubes on heavy recoil guns.  The 30mm tubes have more robust erector assemblies than do the 1" tubes.

I had a 4.5-14 Conquest on a Tikka T3 lite in 300WM for several years, took many shots, never had an issue.  i ain't saying it'll fail, I'm saying Swaro and Zeiss Tech Service will tell you it will fail.


I had a Meopta rep tell me recently that Zeiss and Swaro OEM their scopes from Meopta, be advised, people will say almost anything when there is no record of them saying it.

If you doubt my info - as well you should if you d not know and trust me - call them yourself and let us know wht they say.
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