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I am torn between the Trijicon 3x9 Accupoint red triangle and the crosshair green dot for hunting whitetails. Which is best.  Thanks in advance.  Tim
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Opinions vary.  I have a hard time placing rounds as precisely with the triangle reticle. (I should also state that I have owed both the triangle and the mil dot versions.)  The triangle is faster on target, no doubt, and has more illumination; however, it covers more of the target, and the illumination can be an issue in very low light.

I prefer the mil dot, someone will soon pipe up that prefers the triangle.  in the end, both are fantastic scopes and either will serve you well.


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I am in same boat
Have owned both, prefer and still use a Mildot / green dot 3-9
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Hi,
Rancid is correct.  I am piping up. 
I just bought a red triangle.  It is my first scope without a crosshair reticle and I like it a lot.
The reticle appears clean (no lines, dots or circles) to me, just a post and triangle.  I like the red because it really stands out against the background where I hunt.  Low light illumination was good.
Rancid is correct again.  I don't think you can go wrong with either.  It's really a matter of preference.
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Most of my shots will be well within 200 yards so I am leaning towards the red triangle.  I wish Trijicon offered a red dot reticle.
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Originally posted by tntxfour tntxfour wrote:

Most of my shots will be well within 200 yards so I am leaning towards the red triangle.  I wish Trijicon offered a red dot reticle.


I've Trijicon scopes with both red and green chevron reticles on my AR, but for "deer hunting"... I think you'd be very happy with the green (perhaps even the amber) dot reticle.   Thunbs Up
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Is the green color an issue against a green background such as trees and foliage?
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The red triangle is for bright conditions, as is the green. For hunting the amber seems to work best for me. I have both red and amber and much prefer amber at dawn and dusk. I have the triangles, btw. They offer a cleaner view and quicker aiming.
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    I have the green mil dot. It isn't an issue with green back grounds. Amber and red are probably fine as well in this reticle. The dot is tiny. I use mine at night for hog hunting. For precise aiming. I'd go with the mil dot in whatever color you like.
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I prefer the crosshair/green dot set-up, personally can't stand the chevrons..................
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I have the green triangle and like it. The point / tip of the triangle makes an adequate aiming point for me. To each his own I guess.
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So the green Mil dot seems to be the most popular for hunting.  Interesting.  I would have guessed that that the triangles would have been the obvious choice. 

Now I will have to look at the mil dot vs the standard green dot crosshair and choose!  Any particular reason you guys chose the mil dot?  I am guessing for holdover for longer shots?

Thanks again for all of the replies!















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Mil dots are nice for drop or wind, but be aware these scopes are SFP, so either the math gets complicated, or only use at the designated setting.

My green mil dot was used for all-around hunting in the day (with the fiber optic window closed, there is no illumination visible - which I liked) and the center dot is perfect for night hunting (only the very center of the cross hairs illuminates, for a very fine aiming point.)

The cross hair reticle would be good too, if you find no utility in the mil dot.
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I have only used the green color.  I had a green horseshoe ACOG and a Accupoint Triangle.  I used the green in all lighting and thought it worked very well for hunting and general shooting.  I never had any trouble seeing the reticle in any light.  Great scopes with great glass.  
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How big is the triangle at 100 yards?
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I believe the base of the triangle covers 4MOA at 4X.
 
Choice of reticle is a personal thing.  To each his own.  I personally like the BAC triangle.  It's extremely fast at close range and is immediately visible even in good light.  At short range, you just plaster the whole triangle on the target without worrying about shooting high.   At long range, you use the very tip of the triangle for precision aiming.  The triangle reticle is obviously not as good for holdovers as the mil dot, and doesn't have the ranging capability, so in that respect, the mil dot is superior for long range.  From the standpoint of reticle subtension, no dot (one that's still visible, at least), no matter how small, is as fine as a sharp point; it can't be.  A dot with crosshairs will always cover more of the target than an aiming point that terminates at a sharp point.  The triangle provides a very clean, unobstructed sight picture. 
 
Most shooters are accustomed to using conventional crosshairs, so the triangle takes some getting used to.  Because it's a radical departure from the familiar, many can't warm up to it.   Trijicon introduced the various crosshair/dot reticles in response to complaints about the triangle.
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I have mixed feelings on this and believe that how you hunt determines which is the best choice. For fast action moving targets dangerous game I think the Post with illuminated triangle is ideal.  If you are a precision shooter you will like the #4 the standard crosshair with illuminated dot or the Mildot version because they do give a very precise aiming point.  When working with a post triangle version sighting in I tend to use my left hand to alter light conditions adding shade over the fiber optic. It does have a rotating metal cover that can be used to do the same thing.  In actual use however for hunting I believe the amber is generally the favorite.  I do find amber washes out when pointed toward street lights at night. The green is likely to appear the brightest.  All three colors work well next time you see a stoplight those are your three color choices pick one. I strongly prefer the 2.5-10x56 over the 3-9 version but thats just me and I really notice a difference between 2.5 and 3x which is why I like it.  I think the 1-4x would be a great optic for hunting out to 200 yds as there is very little issue with trajectory and it would come on target very fast. One other thing about the 2.5-10x56 is that even at 10x it will have a 5.6mm exit eye pupil and be very bright under low light / night conditions.  The mil dot gives you hold over points as well as a means to rangefind distance which you may or may not feel a need for.  I find that supply is somewhat limited on some models as they are very popular so I suggest you call to determine the one you want is in stock. The glass in these is very nice I really like them.
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I have the 5-20 with green Mil-dot.  I absolutley love it.  My shooting is mostly long range, low light.  The deer season in CA is from Aug-Oct and it is hot.  Deer are only out for a few minutes During the day, you can adjust the green fiber optic so you don't even see it and it is more of a traditional mil-dot reticle.  The green is nice and bright in lower light and I have never had a problem with washout against bright green grassy hillsides.  Great scope.  IF you are hunting short range, quick shots, maybe you would prefer the post-triangle combo.  Good Luck!
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

  If you are a precision shooter you will like the #4 the standard crosshair with illuminated dot or the Mildot version because they do give a very precise aiming point. 
 
I keep hearing that statement being made, but logically, how can that be possible?  How can something round provide a finer aiming point than an arrow shape that terminates to a sharp point, if you're aiming with the very tip of the point, as you should be?  Think of it in the same way as a knife blade... there's no way a rounded edge can be as sharp as an angle that terminates to a very fine point.
 
I have a thick German #1 post reticle in the scope on my .300 mag.  It has the same pointed profile at the top of the post as the Accupoint triangle, and despite the post being extremely thick, I'm able to shoot .5 MOA groups with that rifle on a pretty regular basis because the thick post is only there to lead your eye to the tip of the point.  If I can see it, I can aim at it, no matter how small.  Without a post or crosshair continuing vertically in the 12:00 position, the upper portion of the field is totally unobstructed. 
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You got those pics big enough?  Wink  Even on my 23 inch monitor they go way past the edges.
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I've seen some variation in how pointed the top of the triangle can be.  The illuminated aiming point in an Accupoint scope is actually the very end of a long fiber optic strand, and they grind the sides of the end of the round fiber optic to form the triangle shape.  However, even when the point of the triangle is at its most "rounded," the very tip still subtends less of the target than the dot, as your pictures demonstrate.  At best, there's no advantage one way or the other.
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Good lord, Wes you take great pics but it's like sitting in the front row of a movie theater when trying to see 'em.  Big Grin





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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

  If you are a precision shooter you will like the #4 the standard crosshair with illuminated dot or the Mildot version because they do give a very precise aiming point. 
 
I keep hearing that statement being made, but logically, how can that be possible?  How can something round provide a finer aiming point than an arrow shape that terminates to a sharp point, if you're aiming with the very tip of the point, as you should be?  Think of it in the same way as a knife blade... there's no way a rounded edge can be as sharp as an angle that terminates to a very fine point.
 
I have a thick German #1 post reticle in the scope on my .300 mag.  It has the same pointed profile at the top of the post as the Accupoint triangle, and despite the post being extremely thick, I'm able to shoot .5 MOA groups with that rifle on a pretty regular basis because the thick post is only there to lead your eye to the tip of the point.  If I can see it, I can aim at it, no matter how small.  Without a post or crosshair continuing vertically in the 12:00 position, the upper portion of the field is totally unobstructed. 

I think RifleDude is correct. In theory at least. Most people, me included,  are just so used to a normal "crosshair" that a triangle seems unorthodox or something. It seems to me, that the lower part of the triangle would cover up part of you're target. I haven't looked through one though so i'm just visualizing it. I guess it's all personal preference. I would like to look through one and see for myself though.
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Wes,   refer to mikes cmment aboveWink lol

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