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For a "high speed, low drag" guy like me, nothing sucks more than the vaunted "bay window" review -meaning the "city boy who couldn't review the scope in the wild, killing terrorists."

I am a civilian now, I know, I suck, but here are my initial impressions of the 5-20X50 Trijicon with mil dot reticle and green dot illumination.

1.  I thought it'd be bigger.  It is roughly the same size as the 2.5-10X56 Trijicon I just sold.

2.  No tunneling anywhere on the power band.  I like that!

3.  Head position at 5X isn't critical, it is fairly easy to get behind.  The sweet spot at 20X is a little smaller, but not much.  Eye relief is close to constant throughout the power band.  (Again, in all fairness, I've been shooting my Hensoldt, and NOTHING compares to that for ease to get behind, everything else sucks by comparison.)

4.  Field of view is sharp and clear, no ghosting, no feathering, no halos.

5.  Glass quality, as I have come to expect of the Accupoint line, is quite good.

6.  Target turrets are audible and tactile.  The clicks are big with MUCH space between them, no overshooting your dope. I get 50MOA on both elevation and windage turrets, not ideal for a 1,000 yard gun, no problem for my 500 yard AR10.

7.Good news/bad news on the turret markings.  Good news, they put markings on the front of the turret to remind a dumb ol' Marine like me which way is up/down and which way is left/right.  Bad news, they interrupted the line with a space that disappears at the low end of the adjustment range.  Easily fixed with a silver sharpy, but WTF, why not just extend the line?

8.  Parallax adjustment is marked at 40 yards and infinity, with hashes in between, but no numbers.  Premier does this too, it ain't my favorite, but I don't trust the numbers on those scopes where they are marked, so this is not a big deal to me.

9.  Power ring is the same as all the Accupoints, it is rubberized, I like it.  Be advised, just aft of the power ring is the illumination control for the window covering the fiber optic illumination.  In a pinch, once (while shooting at a 500 pound hog what was moving - fast)  I tried to adjust the power and instead adjusted illumination.  Play with the scope before you NEED the scope: voice of experience.

10.  Rapid adjust eye piece adjusts. Rapidly.  No big deal.



I really like the scope - at least as much as I can like a field scope while it sits on my desk in my man-cave of an office.  As said above, it is going on an AR10 that is mostly used for punching paper and killing hogs.

A note of interest: the center dot (mine is green) is the size of the center of the cross-hairs.  I wondered if it would bleed out and increase the size of the center aiming point, it does not. 
Also, I read a few comments that the illuminated dot was not bright enough in darkness to be seen (even saw one comment that an owner called Trijicon Customer Service and was told the dot would not be visible in darkness.)  Mine is never overpowering, but is visible in darkness.  It is just the center dot (very small) but will do what it should and give an aiming point in darkness and/or very low light.

More will follow once the scope is mounted, zeroed and starts taking game.

If you are comsindering getting one, I do recommend it - thus far.

Some pictures, till this thing hits the range.











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Thanks RC

You have had previous Trijicons, what were the illumination colors on those?  Green, amber, red?  Which color has worked best while hunting/which stood out the most with an outdoor backdrop?  Understand green yet to be reviewed.
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This is my first Trijicon without a triangle (too course an aiming point.)  To me, the red was most obvious.

I have the mil dot with the center dot being green.  And I have the fiber optic window completely closed, so the green dot only appears in so low light that the reticle is gone.

I like the red, I probably would have preferred a red dot, but these things are hard to get(I bought the last one SWFA had on the shelf) so green it is, I'll cope.

To me, the color is only for hunting in almost pure darkness, not for visual stimulation - this isn't a bind-on reticle.

More to come.
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Thanks RC.... Lots of good comments about Triji as usual.
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Good review, RC.  Thanks!
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Nice write-up.

One thing though: I assume you are talking about a 5-20x50, right? not 56.

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Im sure thats what he meant to say ILya.
Im very curious what RC has to say about this scope as Ive been eyeballing the 3x9, 2.5x10 and 5x20 Accupoints for quite awhile now.. Pretty soon I'll be like some of you guys and have more scopes than rifles, actually Im already there..Wink
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http://swfa.com/Trijicon-5-20x50-Accu-Point-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P12887.aspx


It is 50, sorry about that, change made to original post.  My 2.5-10 was 56, didn't realize they went to a smaller objective on the higher-power scope.

Thanx for the correction.
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Range report!




Range impressions:


1.  I like the turrets, very confident in dope changes, no overshooting the clicks. 

2.  Did a rudimentary box (more of a right angle) all was as it should be, clicks were good.

3.  If I want to watch my heart beat, I'll get an EKG.  I buy 20X scopes, I shoot 20X scopes, I remember why I hate 20X scopes.  I will not be shooting at 20X.

4.  Reticle is a little thicker than I would like, not terrible, definitely not a problem (maybe it's the 20X thing) but the reticle looks thicker than I am accustomed.

5.  Glass is bright and clear.  At 20X, no problem resolving anything.  I like the glass.

6.  The up/down indicators are a huge plus, I shot the IOR and IOR forgot them, damn you, IOR!

7  Head position on the bench is not difficult to get at 5, it is easier to get at 20 than the Sightron S3 was at 24X, but nowhere near as easy as the Hensoldt.  I know, I know, not at all a fair comparison!


It's a keeper.  It needs to be mounted in a LaRue so I can get the tube closer to the bore, the LaRue is ordered, and backordered.  It will eventually wear a LaRue QD.

In short, I like the glass, i like the turrets, I am OK with the reticle (thickness), and the scope is easy to use.  All in all, great scope.
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WHY IS THAT DUST COVER OPEN ON THAT WEAPON?!?!?!?!?!?
 
Great review, RC!
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Hey, Mark, the AR I'm currently in the process of building WON'T EVEN HAVE A DUST COVER... OR A FORWARD ASSIST!!!!
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Hey, Mark, the AR I'm currently in the process of building WON'T EVEN HAVE A DUST COVER... OR A FORWARD ASSIST!!!!
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Mine has no forward assist.

I've had forward assists on 20 years worth of ARs and never needed to use one.  When I bought this one, the lack of a forward assist was, obviously, not a deal breaker.

And my pictures are grainy because my son set the ISO on my camera to 1600.  All future pics should be much better.

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 Excellent post as usual RC.  Is this replacing the 2.5-10 IOR?
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I have heard the forward assist referred to by a Veteran as the "suicide button."
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Originally posted by opeagle opeagle wrote:

 Excellent post as usual RC.  Is this replacing the 2.5-10 IOR?


The 2.5-10 FFP IOR is on the 300 Whisper, this will be staying on the AR10.  It is about the 5th scope to go on the rifle, none of the others was quite the right fit, I like this one.


I also really like the IOR 2.5-10.   I did have a 2.5-10 Trijicon with post reticle on this rifle, I just don't like the post for precision shooting, maybe it's me, just doesn't "feel" as precise as the cross hairs.
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Hi.

I'm new on this forum, and to shooting as well; I realize that this is an old thread, but it seems to best post here.

I'm currently in the process of assembling my first jack - of - all - trades "fun" gun, one with enough "oomph" out to ~ 600 yards; this will probably be a SIG - Sauer 716 with a 16 inch barrel.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/2500073103

What I'm having a real hard time with is the scopes and the necessary mounts to go along with it.

Quick - Detach Mounts

1. I'm in a position to get an Aimpoint CompM4 at a significantly reduced price with a Bobro quick - detach mount. Should I get a Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x50 with a quick - detach mount and swap them out as needed?
2. Along the same route, wouldn't the Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-10x56 give me a clearer picture? What's the significant difference between the two, other than the knobs and magnification?
3. Do the quick - detach mounts (for the longer scopes, in particular) have any deleterious effects on the scope? Seeing slow - motion videos of barrels and receivers "whipping" with recoil, wouldn't these mounts "whip" as well? It's like mounting a log onto a platform with a tiny little clamp.

One Size Fits All


1. Would a Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x24 be adequate for man - sized silhouettes between 25 to 600 yards?
2. Would a Leupold 1.1-8x24 CQBSS be the best (and most horribly expensive) option going this route?
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for the platform (sig 716), I would not get a 5-20x, the rifle is intended for use as a battle rifle/carbine. at 600m or less, a low variable(1-4x-ish), or low fixed(4x-ish) will do just fine. If you absolutely must see the holes in the target through the scope, then yeah, the 5-20x will be necessary, if not insufficent. Elsewise, that rifle is intended to provide a different kind of "downrange feedback" to indicate a hit on a man sized target. Good luck with your search, let us all know what you end up getting!
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First and foremost, thanks for resurrecting an old thread.  I never updated it after the initial posts, and it is in need of an update.

(First the update, then answers to your questions.)

I came to really dislike the thickness of the reticle, and hated that I owned a 20X scope that I didn't like using at 20X.  I sold the scope to a friend, and he still uses it and likes it.  It now resides on a 204 Ruger AR.  He took a cull white tail buck with a shot to the grape about 2 weeks ago, the 204 was devastating at 175 yards.

All that to say my dislike of the reticle should not dissuade others from buying it.  I have another data point of one who owns and likes it.

On the LaRue QD mounts: I don't buy them any more for 2 primary reasons:
1.  I did a side-by-side with Bobro and AD and found that Bobro and AD return quite well, LaRue does not return to zero well. At all.
2.  I noted that the LaRues were chewing up my rails, others were not.

For now, till LaRue improves their wares, I buy Bobro or American Defense, both lock up much more securely, both return to zero far better.


Now, the questions.

I agree with Apache that the 5-20 is overkill for your Sig.  Your should get the Aimpoint, but I wouldn't get the 5-20.

I'm not sure what you mean by "clearer picture", can you elaborate?

For an AR (not a bench rest, bull-barrel variant), I'd do the 3-9 Trijicon.  It is a better fit, and the power range is more realistic for your bullet.

QD mounts are not all equal.  If you plan to put a magnifying optic on your AR, consider the American Defense Recon mount, or the Bobro.  None will damage the scope (even the LaRue) assuming it it mounted correctly, but the LaRue will damage the rail.

Trijicon 1-4 is a good scope, as the SS1-4 and a few others in that range.  For that application, I prefer FFP scopes so you can dope the reticle for drop rather than clicking in the drop on the turret, but that might just be me.  I wouldn't plan on using a 1-4 at 600 yards with any degree of precision.  It is doable, but far from ideal.

Forget the Leupold, get something else much cheaper (and just as usable) and spend what remains on ammo and range time.



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I agree with Rancid Coolaid on the mounts. Bobro, and American Defense QD mounts have proven themselves to me, and return to zero after removal is almost a given.
 
For Edsel, I would look at the Vortex Razor 1-6x24 with the http://swfa.com/Vortex-1-6x24-Razor-HD-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P55713.aspxBDC reticle. It's a second focal plane (SFP), so the BDC would only be good at 6x.
 I also like the IOR 1.5-8x26 with CQB reticle. It also is SFP with a 5.56 BDC reticle and a 7.62x51 NATO BDC turret. http://swfa.com/IOR-15-8x26-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P48122.aspx
My eyehttp://swfa.com/IOR-15-8x26-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P48122.aspxs prefer SFP scopes in the lower powers, but if your eyes are ok with First Focal Plane in the lower powers, you might want to think about the SWFA SS 1-6x24. 


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Thanks for the replies, guys.

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

On the LaRue QD mounts: I don't buy them any more for 2 primary reasons:

1.  I did a side-by-side with Bobro and AD and found that Bobro and AD return quite well, LaRue does not return to zero well. At all.
2.  I noted that the LaRues were chewing up my rails, others were not.



Trijicon makes this mount for its 30mm tubes, which uses a Bobro mount.

What I find worrying (maybe needlessly so) is that the attachment isn't "full - length." After seeing slow - motion footage of archery components (even with stiffer 707x Aluminum risers - the rests, sights, and other parts wobble so much) whipping around after arrows are released, I'm not sure these designs are rigid enough?



While I think this would be perfectly fine for a short, stubby sight such as the Aimpoint CompM4, having a footlong, two - pound log teetering on a disproportionately small clamp wouldn't make sense, with moment of inertia and all that - correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "clearer picture", can you elaborate?

For an AR (not a bench rest, bull-barrel variant), I'd do the 3-9 Trijicon.  It is a better fit, and the power range is more realistic for your bullet.

I assumed that the 2.5-10x56 would give a crisper, brighter picture because of its larger objective lens.

I was under the assumption that you had owned the Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-10x56 as well, and was wondering what you thought about it compared the the 5-20x50.
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I have seen high-speed footage of scope flex under recoil, and the scopes seem to fare well before and after.

Having used a few Bobros and ADs over the past few years, I have had no failures due to scope mount rigidity.  Obviously, the largest 2 issues are:
1.  Recoil force
2.  Scope weight

That said, for heavy recoil rifles, I prefer rings like Badger max50s (6-screw rings rather than 4-screw rings.)  That is typically from an overabundance of caution.

The 2.5-10x56 can indeed be brighter (this is an exit pupil function more than anything else) but I never found myself taking low light shots above about 6X or 8X, and either at 50mm objective is plenty bright for my eyes.  As for image quality, they are the same, or very near.  Again, hopefully obviously, the lower exit pupil of 20X does make the image less bright, but this to be expected with any 20X optic not attached to a telescope or other huge objective lens.

I have owned both the 2.5-10 and the 5-20 Accupoints and liked both. I sold the 2.5-10 because it was just too big for an AR15 with a 16" barrel.  The 5-20 is not much bigger than the 2.5-10 (which I noted in the initial review) but it is bigger in parts, like the turrets.

I still have the 3-9, it is the best of both worlds (brightness and ease of use.)

Does that help?
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I have a friend that uses a Bobro with a SWFA SS 5-20x on a semi auto Barrett 50 cal.  So far it has been just fine.  I have no idea on round count, but that gun I am sure it tough on mounts and scopes.  
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