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I am thinking of picking one of these up for my AR which I use for coyote/predator/varmint hunting, mostly at night.  Does anyone know what height rings I should use for a flat top AR?  I am also thinking of getting a LaRue mount in the future when funds become available but for now will just stick to QR rings.
 
Also, any suggestions as to dot color.  I use both red and NDS green lights while hunting, red mostly for scanning and green for the shot. 
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The exact height over the rail depends on the stock you use and your shooting form.

Most people seem to end up being comfortable with a mount that puts optical axis of the scope about 1.5" above the flat top and most flat top mounts I have seen are between 1.4 and 1.6 inches tall.

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I suggest you just get the La Rue and dont buy two systems because you will have about a hundred in the one you only use until you buy the other. Even at the very least you would have $60 plus shipping in it.  But this one will work nicely it just really is not quick release.  I have some that are quick release but I rarely use that feature once its there I try to leave it there so I am confident in it being on target
I prefer the amber post triangle  but some guys like Bill Wilson prefer the green dot.  I will say that the 56mm objective makes this a BIG scope for an AR. I tend to run a Trijicon compact ACOG on my AR and I have a 1.5x TA442 amber triangle and a 3x red crosshair compact ACOG and love the size for an AR.
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For size comparison the scopes above are 6x42 Super Sniper, TA50R4 3x compact ACOG and Aimpoint  Comp M4s
Trijicon 1.5x16 Compact Acog Rifle Scope Amber Triangle Trijicon 1.5x16 Compact Acog Rifle Scope
Stock # - TA442
  • Amber Triangle
  • Free Lens Cleaning Pen w/ Purchase
$945.95 
Trijicon 3x24 Compact Acog Rifle Scope Red Crosshair Trijicon 3x24 Compact Acog Rifle Scope
Stock # - TA50R4
  • Red Crosshair
  • Free Lens Cleaning Pen w/ Purchase
$945.95 


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I had that scope with a red triangle, and it was great.  As mentioned before, it's a big scope for an AR (for anything, for that matter).  I use the 3-9 with a green dot now, and it'll do everything the 2.5-10 will do at night, but it's in a smaller and lighter package.  I've not been in a situation since switching where I've wished I had the bigger objective.  If you plan on doing any shooting under just moonlight,  maybe the 56mm obj would be better, but if you're using any type of light, the bigger objective and the accompanying extra size and weight are unnecessary in my experience.
 
Type and color of reticle seems to be a personal preference thing.  The red triangle is very bright and easy to pick up, and I had no trouble hunting with it, but the tip of the triangle tended to look a little rounded off rather than like a sharp point, which may be a problem if you want to aim at something small.
 
I have the amber dot on a 5-20, and it's not very bright.  In practice, it turned out to be great for night stuff.  You can't really see it during the day, and I'm not sure how it will do at dusk or when it and the target are in different lighting conditions, but so far I'm happy with it.
 
The green dot is my favorite of the three.  It's very bright but doesn't interfere with the view even on very dark nights.  It's also clearly visible in daytime, which I like.  At night, the green will bleed through the window that's used to adjust the fiber-optic part of the illum, so if you don't want someone/something to see that, you'll have to cover it. 
 
I've had most of my stuff in one-piece QD mounts, either Larue or Bobro, so I don't know which rings will work.  In my very limited experience with rings, there doesn't seem to be standard measurement for the different sizes.  The 2.5-10 was in a Larue QD which had a centerline 1.5 inches above the rail, so I know Ilya's recommendation will work for that obj diameter.  You'll probably have to call around and find out what size corresponds to that height from the different manufacturers, or you may just be able to call SWFA and tell them what you want and what height above the rail in inches and they may be able to look that up for you.
 
You might take a look at the Bobro mounts, too, if you're going to be in the QD market at some point.  SWFA sells them as Bobro and also as SWFA, and I've been happy with mine.  I switch things around pretty often, and the Bobro eliminates having to adjust things that little bit on different rails, and they're also easier to get on and off.  Having said that, you can't go wrong with the Larue stuff, either, and they're a great company to deal with and support.
 
I hope you'll take a hard look at that 3-9 before you put down that much money.  You might be happier with it in the long run. 
 
I'd love to hear your take on the NDS if you have a few minutes.
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I too have had the 2.5-10 on an AR, and think it is too big for an AR(15.)

I also have the 3-9 and like it more for that rifle. Especially if shooting with artificial light.

If you plan to take the scope off and want a decent return to zero, I'd get the Bobro over the Larue
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Hi all,  thanks for the respnses.  One thing I have decided on is getting either the LaRue or other mount listed, why bother settling right?
 
Since this is primarily for coyote hunting on a RockRiver predator pursuit 16 inch, I go back and forth between the Trijicon 2.5-10 to a  good 1-4 and other scopes as suggested.  I had a Leupold Mark AR 3-9, which I didnt really like and since I do alot of night hunting figured the big bell of the trijicon would be a help.  And...illumination is a must.  But, size does matter and that big bell is intimidating, although these old eyes can use any advantage it gets I dont really want to carry a 10 pound monster into the woods at night.
 
As to Penguins question regarding the ND3, I have enclosed a link that sums up the new cold weather version better than  I could say.  However, to add to what this guy writes, I would say that I like the unit(ND3 50mm)  There have been concerns about its cold weather abilities.  Even though I have the new unit, I usually attach one of those hot hands to the unit whenI go out on really cold nights, just in case.  I also do this to my FOXPRO.  I usually steal one of my granddaughters elastic hair ties, which are quite durable, and strap the hothands to the light and caller.  So, I really cant vouche for its ability to function in real cold weather but so far so good.
 
The adjustable mount is functional, but I question its durability and regulating the scope with the light can be a pain.   The mount is only good for 1 inch scopes...why for goodness sakes didnt they make it for 30mm and include an insert I dont know...
 
The one nice thing about the ND3 50mm is that the collminator gives a wide range of lighting, so as long as you dont have the beam too tight it wont be a problem seeing thru your scope at ranges reasonable for night shooting.  I can easily see out to 300 yards with mine if regulated properly, but honestly dont feel its responsible taking that long of a shot at night.  But, it is capable of doing so from my experience.
 
Hopefully this answers some of your questions regarding the ND3....Im not much or a writer and hopefully you get what I am saying, especially about visibilty at distance.  IF you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.
 
And again, thanks to all for your advice...Russ
 
 
 
 
 
 
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That's a 2.5-10 (in Larue) on a 16" 6.8. It threw off the balance, and the suppressor made it worse.


I like the 1-4X better, but for pigs, precision beats field of view in most respects - depending on range and environmental conditions.

I have an ND3, had it die on a few hunts, learned to not rely on it.  It is a good piece of gear, but use the common tricks to keep it out of the cold.  It hates cold.
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Thats not too bad looking Rancid...wish we could have suppresors her in NY...nice pic btw.
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You mentioned mount durability;  I assume you were talking about the Bobro.  The few reviews that have been done on it were positive, but it certainly doesn't have the track record of the Larues yet.  Time will tell.  It is made for 1" and 30mm tubes, however, not just for 1".  If you don't find which one you're looking for under the SWFA label, look for it under the Bobro section on SWFA's website;  it's the same mount.  If the Bobro makes you uncomfortable in any way, you certainly can't go wrong with a Larue.

I didn't understand what you meant about regulating the scope with the light, and if that was connected to the mount decision somehow.  If you meant regulating the brightness of the dot via the fiber optic window, you don't really have to do much with that unless you want to, especially with the green dot.  I leave the window closed all the time, and I can clearly see the green dot night and day.  If you wanted it to be really bright for some reason, you could open the window.

Thanks for the link and comments on the ND3.  I haven't decided whether or not to try one yet.  I've had great luck with a scope-mounted red flashlight and may just stick with it.  In your experience, is there any advantage to the ND3 over a red light that will work out to 200+ yds?
 
Please let us know what you decide ref scope and mount and how it works out.  Good luck.
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Hi Penguin...I was talking about the ND3 only.  The mount for the ND3 is what I was questioning its durability.   As far as regulating, I was referring to the ability of lining up the ND3 beam with point of impact, specifically with the mount they include.  It can be a pain to line the beam and scope up.  Sorry for the confusion.  however, the ND3 is so bright and has alot of beam adjustability that even with halo affect you can see pretty far.
 
I have a Kill Light 250 in red led which I like alot and use almost exclusively for short range work with a shotgun.  When I am using the shotgun ranges are limited and this light is perfect for that.  With a good scope I can usually make out my target at 150 yards max with the Kill Light.   I wouldnt feel comfortable with that light for any longer shots at night with it.  If you have a 200 yard plus red light please tell me what iti is!  Excellent
 
With the green ND3 however,  I could easily make out a target at 300.     I like the unit, but it does scare me a bit spending that much and not knowing how long its going to last me, but so far so good.   We had a terrible winter in the Northeast last year and I put it thru its paces.  Luckily, its been working out great for me.  Honestly though, just not having to carry lights with cables and batteries has been a blessing.
 
You may want to look at PredatorMasters forum.  Good group of guys just like on here and a wealth of information and experiences.
 
Good luck and thanks again for the advice...I am actually leaning towards the 3-9 trijicon now and may order one soon.   Russ
 
 
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The KL 250 is what I'm using right now.  I haven't shot anything yet at 200+ yds, but could see leaves, etc., at that distance with high magnification, and feel pretty sure it'd get me a good shot with a good scope.  I've shot with that light pretty easily at a measured 140 yds and a little beyond that at 15X and 20X, but you've piqued my interest in the ND3.  Like I need something else to put on my list............................
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ITs a good light for sure, and the reason that i was looking at the 2.5-10, figuring Id take advatage of all the visibility I can get.  Is the 3-9 trijicon thescope you currently use with the killlight?
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Not currently, but I have.  I think the longest shot for that combo was 120ish yards on my FS2000, and it worked very well on 9X.  It's on a Nitrex 3-15x50 right now, and has also been used with a 5-20 Accupoint.  Works well with all of them.
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I hear ya Penguin...
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I suggest you just get the La Rue and dont buy two systems because you will have about a hundred in the one you only use until you buy the other. Even at the very least you would have $60 plus shipping in it.  But this one will work nicely it just really is not quick release.  I have some that are quick release but I rarely use that feature once its there I try to leave it there so I am confident in it being on target
I prefer the amber post triangle  but some guys like Bill Wilson prefer the green dot.  I will say that the 56mm objective makes this a BIG scope for an AR. I tend to run a Trijicon compact ACOG on my AR and I have a 1.5x TA442 amber triangle and a 3x red crosshair compact ACOG and love the size for an AR.
SWFA S.S.A.L.T. 30mm Scope Mount SWFA S.S.A.L.T. 30mm Scope Mount
Stock # - SS30HSSALT
  • Picatinny MIL-STD-1913
  • Matte
  • Comes with 1" Inserts
$59.95 

Wes, you certainly have made some ugly rifles look good...
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