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Of course with bad close in vision, like from zero out to 40 inches, I am looking to put optics on a new battle rife.  FN FAL DSA SA58 carbine with extreme picatinny rail.  My test ammo is Winchester Q3130 147gr.  The goal is for useful CQB maybe with iron sights to 100 yds then transiton with QD rings to scope for 50 - 500 yds.  Suggestions for setup costing up to $1K, not looking for true sniper, just being able to see and hit man size targets center mass.
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Links to KIT3 components: 
SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope 
•First Focal Plane Illuminated T Reticle (Post/Mil-Scale) 
•Exposed Turrets 
BOBRO Low, Slightly Forward 
SWFA SS Switchview Throwlever 
Butler Creek Eye Cover 
Butler Creek Objective Cover 
Why not just run this?
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I would get the SS 1-4x as well.  The 1x is a true 1x, so it is like using the irons only better because you don't have to line up two sights to the target just the 1.  So it is much faster.  Then with it up to 4x you can shoot out pretty much as far as you will need. 

I have two of the 1-4xs on ARs and really really like them.  I tried a bunch of fixed and low powered variable before them and the SS is the best I have tried. 


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A quality 1-4x24 or similar scope like the Super Sniper mentioned above is the way to go.

I would just mount it on there and not worry about switching between the scope and iron sights.  At 1x, it is going to be faster at close ranges anyway.

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ExcellentILya, after reading thru your wed info I'm a little suprised at the short response, but I'll take that you figure I'm a bit more informed about scope usage.
 
Also, I've read thru alot of this forum for insight and have seen some threads relating to 1-4 scopes.  Realizing the forum rules, I think there are some very high quality products available up to $1K before adding a mount setup. 
 
I do need the downrange ability of holdover and some of the targets are at varying up or down hill locations.  But most shots will be at 500yd or less.  Based on a .308 caliber tactical carbine I was hoping for more information about manufacturers that are really rugged.  I'll take it from other threads I've read thru here that it has all been discussed before and there aren't any new recommendations.
 
Thanks for the responses
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Originally posted by gregg gregg wrote:

ExcellentILya, after reading thru your wed info I'm a little suprised at the short response, but I'll take that you figure I'm a bit more informed about scope usage.
 
Also, I've read thru alot of this forum for insight and have seen some threads relating to 1-4 scopes.  Realizing the forum rules, I think there are some very high quality products available up to $1K before adding a mount setup. 
 
I do need the downrange ability of holdover and some of the targets are at varying up or down hill locations.  But most shots will be at 500yd or less.  Based on a .308 caliber tactical carbine I was hoping for more information about manufacturers that are really rugged.  I'll take it from other threads I've read thru here that it has all been discussed before and there aren't any new recommendations.
 
Thanks for the responses

Most decent quality scopes in your price range are rugged enough for a 308 carbine.  There are quite a few of them on the market, so there are a lot of choices configured as 1-4x24, 1-5x24 or 1-6x24.

If CQB is important, make sure you get one with good performance at 1x and a high visibility reticle.

If mid-to-long range is important, make sure that the reticle has provisions for "minute-of-man"  shooting out to the intended ranges.

If I were to buy a scope for that usage right now, it would be this:

The circle helps with CQB.  The mil-scale helps with long range.  4x is sufficient (in my opinion) to hit man-size targets out to 800yards or so (well, targets the size of a human chest out to 800 yards and the size of human head out to 400 yards).

I do not like exposed turrets on scopes of this type, so I suggest the capped turret version that I linked.

Weaver makes a nice 1-5x24 scope, but the reticle is intended for 5.56x45.  Check the trajectory of your ammo and make sure it is close enough (it might be with the right zero):

Vortex Razor HD 1-4x24 is a hell of a nice scope, but I for CQB I prefer the reticle of the S.S. (and the capped turrets):

Meopta 1-4x22 is an excellent choice at close-to-mid range, but the reticle is not conducive to logn range shooting:

IOR makes a couple of very decent 1.1-4x26 and 1.5-8x26 scopes, but the newer designs I mentioned above are better at 1x for CQB.  IOR's 1/4x26 Pitbul is good at 1x, but I do not like how they executed the magnification switch.  It also has exposed turrets and reticle designed for 5.56. Still, it is an interesting option:

Bushnell has a 1-6.5x24 scope coming out, but it is not here yet.

PFI lists a 1-6x24, but I have not seen it yet (I do like their reticles and it is worth looking at):

Ed Verdugo has a 1-6x24 scope on the way and I like his reticle best of all, probably, but it is not here yet either.

Swarovski 1-6x24 is a lot more expensive.

Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x24 is excellent for CQB and close-to-mid range, but is not intended for longer ranges.

All that leaves the 1-4x24 SWFA Super Sniper as the front runner at the moment.

Is this detailed enough for you?

ILya
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ILya, you rock, Man!  So many choices and I know from other web forums etc that you command alot of detail from the front seat in the ring of scopes!
 
ANY information from you is great counsel and I will take that to the bank.  I believe you want anyone looking at optics to get their money's worth from mid end to high end.  You always deliver the goods!  Thanks so much for the longer detailed response, it really helps.Bow
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