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Routine nighttime DUI stop in Montana turns ugly. Listen for the first “click” as the suspect fires his .41 magnum revolver about two inches from the officer’s nose. The “click” is the hammer dropping on an expended round in the cylinder. The second round was live, but Officer Jessop had since recovered and made a strategic move to the rear of the vehicle, buying more time and a much more advantageous position for a firefight. He tossed his flashlight so he could use both hands for better gun control, and opened fire on the suspect as he sped away. His aim looked very controlled, and was obviously very much in the ballpark. The suspect was hit at least once, crashed into a power pole, and was declared dead at the scene.

 

Don’t know what the officer was carrying, but he fired 14 rounds in return. He then casually picked his flashlight up as he was returning to his car and notifying dispatch. While you can always Monday morning quarterback someone’s technique, how many of us would have done this well under these circumstances? All things considered, this officer did the basics, did them fast, and did them well.

 

"Dashboard video from a January traffic stop in Hamilton , MT  that ended in gunfire. A jury ruled on April 13, 2010 that Hamilton Police Officer Ross Jessop was justified in shooting Raymond Thane Davis ."

 

Hamilton, MT Police, shooting video

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/vmix_cdf93fba-47ca-11df-9f5c-001cc4c002e0.html

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I know about Monday morning quarterbacking, but the officer made 3 basic mistakes that could have prevented the incident before the first shot. 
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Great. Another DRT story. Bravo!
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did the clown survive?  Hopefully one of those 14 rounds found the base of his skull.
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After that first click he is kinda like "did that really happen?"  then after that first round went off his "oh sh*t" meter went off. 

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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

I know about Monday morning quarterbacking, but the officer made 3 basic mistakes that could have prevented the incident before the first shot. 
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Please elaborate.
 
 
Lookin at the obituary makes you wonder whay the guy did something so stupid. Guess the only two who know have already discussed the matter.
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not taking sides here, but the officer was very lucky that the guy didn't double tap him, revolver or auto. Most automobile carry laws require the first cylinder to be empty--obviously (and fortunate) the guy hadn't trained to account for this. The officer's Bill Drill on the back of the vehicle was anything but controlled fire. No idea why the guy wanted a piece of the cop, but anytime a civilian walks up to someone's auto like the officer did, its assault and the civilian can be ticketed for it (if your lucky to live through it). (Leo/military always run towards the danger). Trying to account for LEO actions from the point of a civilian is a violation of the La-La-La rule.
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My sister lives in that town and said he was a known troublemaker. The "long absence" referred to in his obit was a most likely his prison sentence (https://app.mt.gov/cgi-bin/conweb/conwebLookup.cgi?docid=2034571). He had a history of assault, including on a police officer.

As for the officer, I have no problem with the end result of his actions, but it does seem like he could have been more cautious. He was sure lucky.
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Don't you typically run the tags before approching? He had to know if the guy had a history. Unless that was one more error in his approach. Police, Troopers and Deputies around here always approach with their hand on and communicate over the drivers shoulder.
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Hey Jono, I read something in the comments section of one of those links that this particular cop had a run-in with this guy earlier in the same day and therefore had a known "history" with this clown before all this went down.  Can you verify?
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Well, according to the inquest, the officer saw him talking to two other officers. But it never says he had any contact with the individual until later that night. However, he was aware of who he was dealing with when he pulled him over. The guy was drunk, maybe on a rampage and probably had cut the battery cables on his girlfriend's vehicle. This story from their local paper has about as much detail as anyone would care to know:

http://www.ravallirepublic.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_9ca93eec-4775-11df-9896-001cc4c03286.html
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well now, that clears things up.  Seems pretty unhinged.
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good to hear more of the story thanks jono
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Don't you typically run the tags before approching? He had to know if the guy had a history. Unless that was one more error in his approach. Police, Troopers and Deputies around here always approach with their hand on and communicate over the drivers shoulder.
One never knows, maybe the leo was trying to get a piece of him, for a crack about his buddys wife.
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I dont' know the standard OP for all places but the troopers i know will not approach the car here until they run the plates.  (or so the ones i am friends with say)

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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

I know about Monday morning quarterbacking, but the officer made 3 basic mistakes that could have prevented the incident before the first shot. 
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Please elaborate.
 
 
Lookin at the obituary makes you wonder whay the guy did something so stupid. Guess the only two who know have already discussed the matter.
1:The officer walked up to the vehicle with his flashlight in his strong hand. 2: The officer's position was bad (will only elaborate in a PM). 3: the officer took his eyes off the suspect; a split second is all it takes.
 
Years ago there was a suspect that had killed several cops in several different traffic stops in about 4 different states. When he was caught they found a speeding ticket from a Ky. State Trooper in his car, but Ky. had no reports of any trooper being shot. The suspect was asked why he didn't kill that trooper, the suspect replied "He never gave me the chance".
That is what good tactics are all about.
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I can't remember where says something to the effect of "they get seconds to react and then months for people to pick apart those reactions"  something to that affect.
 
That said.  I am sure that everyone here would react similar to this guy if they were shot at......We'd shoot back!
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 You can't argue with success.  He got to go home to his family.
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He was lucky, and reacted to the threat, but had there been a round in the first chamber it could have been different. But hay, I'll take luck too.
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Pretty spooky.  He did real good.  He walked away and the bad guy was dead.  I used to live in Missoula just up the road from Hamilton.  Used to drive through there a lot.  A real small town---like Mayberry.   

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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Pretty spooky.  He did real good.  He walked away and the bad guy was dead.  I used to live in Missoula just up the road from Hamilton.  Used to drive through there a lot.  A real small town---like Mayberry.   

That was a long, long time ago ed. The Hamilton/Darby is Elmer Keiths old stomping ground, the home of the 44 mag. (interesting the gun used was a .41 mag) and used to be access area to some of the best elk hunting in the west. Like everywhere its grown up.
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