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Gents,
 
  Im a long time listener/first time caller;  I have orders to ship soon (4's the charm!) and will be taking a TR21 with me this trip over.  What is the general opinion/exp regarding reticle color for operating in the Box?  Im a fan of the amber but I cant help but think that amber will be a washout waiting to happen (at least during daytime operations) given the AOR Im heading to.  I look forward to reading your replies.    Yak   
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Welcome to the OT!
This being your 4th tour I imagine we'd be askin you for imput. I haven't used a TR21 and can't offer any first hand experience. But since the triangle is fiber optic for day light you should be ok. I noticed there is an option for german crosshair with a amber dot. That may fit your need well provided the dot brightness is adjustable. Unless you will be pullin alot of tower or gate duty I wonder if you'll get much sight time in a fire-fight. When we walked rounds thru the sight picture was low and fast.
We here at the OT keep you and all soldiers held up infront of God so I expect you'll be tellin us that #4 was the charm. Keep your head down and both eyes open!
 
P.S. If you know you'll be tower hoppin a range finder is helpful. I used mine to make range cards for all our towers. At first it was just something to do, but when the locals lost their minds it was like connecting the dots. It also cut down on collateral damage (and excess audits). God Bless!!
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Thank you for all your kind words, sir.  THIS NCO knows what you mean. 

Man, I've done the Tower Rat gig one too many!  LOL  That gig made me feel like I was the last man standing at the Alamo.  Not my fave type of posting. 
 
Good advice on the ranging aspect.  I should've seen that one coming...getting old I guess.
 
I considered the #4 reticle but after playing house with one Im not sure its the way to go.  I could be wrong and all but I would need some time to get used to it and time isnt gonna happen Im afraid. 
 
Again, thank you for your reply and your Service.  Stay safe.    Yak  
 
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10-4, Yak, I agree, you should be schooling us. Big%20Smile

Good luck with your 4th tour and keep us posted. Salute
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Welcome to Optics Talk, Yak!
Thank you for your service and Godspeed!  Salute
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Gents, 
 
Thanks for the kind words.  I'll be lurking around until ramp up training out West come December or so.  Any thoughts/opinions regarding optics and Iraq Id like to hear.  Stay Safe.    Yak
 
  
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Red is going to be a lot easier to see.  What is your standard issues sight if any?  If your not held down to the Trijicon I like the Aimpoint Magnifier http://www.swfa.com/c-848-aimpoint-3xmag.aspx if you have an M68.  That paired with a Larue magnifier pivot mount is the stuff.  http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=171
 
Best of both worlds.


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I'll be taking along an M68 in a QRP mount.  I thought about a magnifier but I dont have the rail space and my unit aint too hip on putting the 68 in an LT mount to make running the magnifier easier (ask me how I know! :)).

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Originally posted by Yak Yak wrote:

I'll be taking along an M68 in a QRP mount.  I thought about a magnifier but I dont have the rail space and my unit aint too hip on putting the 68 in an LT mount to make running the magnifier easier (ask me how I know! :)).

 
There should be plenty of room on the reciever for both.  I do not advise putting red dots over the gas tube.  A plenty of sights have been killed by the heat given off the tube.
 
I know what you mean about COC's being anal, God forbid a Warrior customizes his sh*t that makes him a more effective fighter on the battlefield.  One reason I got out.  Bet you they wouldn't even allow you to run a BUIS because it's "customized."Loco  I wanted to run a collapsable stock on my M16A4 to make it easier to shoulder with body armor, but no the USMC was stuck on the A2 buttstock because maybe I would need to buttstroke someone.  Screw that, if I'm that close he's getting a muzzle thump and then his skull crushed with my boot.
 
Sorry for the rant but damn, when I hear stupid sh*t like this I think about that old T-shirt,
"If you die first we're splitting up your gear."  More likely it's your gear that got you killed and I don't want any of it.
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Rant away, sir!!!  RANT ON---My last time over I had installed and BZO'd a NM front sight post as I felt the standard post was just too much for stuff at 300m or so.  One day I pulled my M4 for convoy and my NM was replaced by a standard post.  Okay, fine.  I shouldnt have done the switch in the first place.  But now I didnt have Irons BZO'd and the REMF that did it knew I was leaving the wire that morning and insted of calling me out and telling me to fix it when I got a chance for range time he went ahead and jacked with my rifle.  This is the same guy that almost shed tears because I had the gall to mount a Vickers Sling on my weapon.  Think of Lt Dyke on Band Of Brothers and that was/is this dude! LOL---RANT OFF 
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Like sand in Iraq there has been another change:  I will not be sporting a TR21 after all.  I will receive a spanking new Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5X20 MRT (Illuminated) to accomplish optics duty on my carbine.  Now, all that is needed is a LaRue SPR-E mount and all will be well.  But, if availability of the LaRue is a problem I would consider an ADM "alternative"(I have no time on ADM products, though Sad ).  Stay Safe All. 
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Originally posted by Yak Yak wrote:

Like sand in Iraq there has been another change:  I will not be sporting a TR21 after all.  I will receive a spanking new Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5X20 MRT (Illuminated) to accomplish optics duty on my carbine.  Now, all that is needed is a LaRue SPR-E mount and all will be well.  But, if availability of the LaRue is a problem I would consider an ADM "alternative"(I have no time on ADM products, though Sad ).  Stay Safe All. 


Hope your able to get the LaRue mount, it'll be a real nice setup!!
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I think you will like the Leupold 1.5-5
 
This is what I put on my gun.
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Very fast and the amber triangle in daylight absolutely glows you cant miss it and in fact may want to tone it down with a small piece of tape over part of the fiber optic. The only place I have a problem with wash out is at night looking toward lights and there is a black line below the yellow triangle that lets you know where you are so it's quite workable.  I have been getting 1.5 in groups at 200 yds with this 1.5x Trijicon and this one has the widest field of view, you could always go with red though but the triangle comes on target very fast yet has the ability to use the point of it for added accuracy.
 
Nice set up.  Man, I dig the compact ACOGs more and more.  I've recently been turned on to the TA47 2X20 version in the compact line.  I think, or my needs, it fits the bill pretty well as far as the whole ACOG series goes.  A TA47 in a LaRue or an ADM mount will cost me more then what I will pay for the MRT/Larue combo, though.  YMMV
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by Yak Yak wrote:

Like sand in Iraq there has been another change:  I will not be sporting a TR21 after all.  I will receive a spanking new Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5X20 MRT (Illuminated) to accomplish optics duty on my carbine.  Now, all that is needed is a LaRue SPR-E mount and all will be well.  But, if availability of the LaRue is a problem I would consider an ADM "alternative"(I have no time on ADM products, though Sad ).  Stay Safe All. 


Hope your able to get the LaRue mount, it'll be a real nice setup!!
 
Copy that.  LaRue mounts are hot stuff indeed.  I am looking into ADMs stuff, though.  Damn, even SAYING that makes me feel like Im cheating on my wife!  SadShocked  But I gotta do what the wallet will allow so...
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I understand the wallet issue but your life is worth something likely more than the difference I hope.  There is nothing wrong with this ARMS mount.  I do like GG&G stuff also but was a victim of what was available and the 2x was not but having used the 1.5 I do not feel I lost out as the field of view is about 10 ft wider and that translates to faster. Im sold on the ACOG s
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I understand the wallet issue but your life is worth something likely more than the difference I hope.  There is nothing wrong with this ARMS mount.  I do like GG&G stuff also but was a victim of what was available and the 2x was not but having used the 1.5 I do not feel I lost out as the field of view is about 10 ft wider and that translates to faster. Im sold on the ACOG s


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Not trying to sound cheap but since you kind gents used the word "value" so will I;  Price is a huge factor and/or hurdle for ALL.  Its just some folks can overcome that factor and/or hurdle a bit easier then others.  And I dont mind spending X-amount of $$$ as long as I know and trust that Im getting the same (or more) x-amount of value for my buck.  ARMS mounts, for me, have provided that in the past (I did break one the last time I was in Saudi Arabia, though!Cencored )

As for the compact ACOGs;  they are the shiz and I wish I could own every make and model of the line.  However, at this time, I do not trust that they provide ME with the "value" we all have just posted about and insted of jumping that particular hurdle I will be looking elsewhere for comfort.  Not that a TA47 isnt in my future.  But as far as the compact line goes I do think the TA33 is the value leader in its class and I will likely end up with a 33 before a 47 unless Trijicon sweets the treat by a little price modificationSmile.
 
I hope Ive explained my opinions fairly well (my two year old son just got up and wants to play insted of going back to sleep!Stick%20Horse Goodnite!    Yak
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You are on the right track all of the ones mentioned are quality set up's.  Stay Safe.
 


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Yak, thank you for your service.
So, tell me, what do you WANT to get? and what is your price point?

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

You are on the right track all of the ones mentioned are quality set up's.  Stay Safe.
I came reall close to buying a TA338  but the field of view at 100  is 19.3 ft wide which makes it half that at 50 yds or 9.65 ft wide which at 25 yds makes it 4.825 ft wide field of view.  I really dont think you could clear a buliding with that narrow of a field of view as well as if it were wider.  I had a TA01B   4x model to look at and it has a 36.8ft field of view at 100.  The TA442  is a 39ft field of view at 100 which would give you almost 10ft at 25yds which is why I went that route.  Just a side note the Army has been issueing some comp M4 aimpoints and they are very nice much nicer than the earlier models so if they offer you one dont turn it down even if you hold it as a backup.
 
No, I wont turn dowm an M4 AP.  I am half dumb on most days but NOT half stupid so... Big%20Grin
Yes, the compacts give up a few things to get a few in return.  The narrow FOV of the TA33 is both a good and bad thing IMO.  For me its "good" when Im trying to go BAC with the ACOG.  The more narrow FOV helps me do this easier with the 33 then with the full sized 31.  But I can see how it (small FOV) could be a "bad" thing if you are eyes on a building looking for threats to pop out the window for example.
 
I still havent pulled the trigger on any new optic yet.  Im still waiting for more information regarding our mission (there have been some changes) to trickle down my way before I tax the debit card.  We shall see.  Thank you for taking the time to respond.  It means alot.      
 
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Yak, thank you for your service.
So, tell me, what do you WANT to get? and what is your price point?
 
Thank you, sir.  As far as WANT goes...  The optic choices I have posted about in this thread all qualify as WANT.  As more information regarding our mission is learned it will narrow the field down some to more of a NEED Im sure.  As far as price point--$800.00 max and that must include the mount.  Thank you again.   
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