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    Posted: April/09/2007 at 19:03
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i wish i had a 50 bmg!!!

 

Yup, I've been thinking seriously about mounting one to my ATV and using it as a mobile crow shooting machine... or for whacking Achmeds at 2500 meters! 

 

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Originally posted by pyro6999

i wish i had a 50 bmg!!!

 

Yup, I've been thinking seriously about mounting one to my ATV and using it as a mobile crow shooting machine... or for whacking Achmeds at 2500 meters! 

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ooooh thats a great idea crows with the 300, i have tons of them around my place i may have to try that when i get a handload made up that my rifle really likes, that sounds like a ton of fun!!!
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford

alot of times a lighter bullet in a "faster" twist can be accurate by slowing it down for the reasons stated above, and using a faster burning powder. most of the time the lighter bullet doesn't have a high enough BC to make the effort worth while. the decrease in velocity and low bc to get the accuracy  are a hard trade off. usually the "flatter traj. does not materalize. even when a decrease in caliber is examined the percentage decrease ration in bullet wt. stays almost linear. ex. 147/180 = 20% in 308 and 40/50=20% in 22 cal.  Ratios larger than usually get strange results, 110/180=40 (I have yet to find one exception which I willl explain later)  or 35/60=40% in 22 cal. The only light bullet I've found in 30 cal to show across the board accuracy is the 110 gr round lead, with jacket (hornady) at around 2000 fps, and paper patch cast bullets.

 

i would buy that, thats an intresting thought i may have to play with that notion a bit.

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alot of times a lighter bullet in a "faster" twist can be accurate by slowing it down for the reasons stated above, and using a faster burning powder. most of the time the lighter bullet doesn't have a high enough BC to make the effort worth while. the decrease in velocity and low bc to get the accuracy  are a hard trade off. usually the "flatter traj. does not materalize. even when a decrease in caliber is examined the percentage decrease ration in bullet wt. stays almost linear. ex. 147/180 = 20% in 308 and 40/50=20% in 22 cal.  Ratios larger than usually get strange results, 110/180=40 (I have yet to find one exception which I willl explain later)  or 35/60=40% in 22 cal. The only light bullet I've found in 30 cal to show across the board accuracy is the 110 gr round lead, with jacket (hornady) at around 2000 fps, and paper patch cast bullets.

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pyro is correct about rifling twist being the main determining factor in bullet weight vs. potential accuracy.  However, it isn't weight per se that determines the optimal bullet for a given twist, but rather the length of the bullet's bearing surface against the bore.  It just so happens that a heavier weight bullet will usually be longer than a lighter bullet of any given diameter -- but not always.  Since Barnes bullets (except for the new MRX series) are all-copper, they are generally longer than lead core bullets of a given weight, which is why when converting from a standard lead core bullet over to one of the Barnes X bullets, the recommendation is generally to reduce bullet weight for equivalent performance.

 

 

Here are a couple links that explain twist rate vs. bullet weight:

http://www.shilen.com/calibersAndTwists.html

http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/bullets_ballastics/bull et_imbalance_twist.htm

 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote pyro6999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/02/2007 at 07:04
thats why i shoot sierra bullets, i can buy 200 of them for the price of a 100 noslers, and i have killed and my dad has killed many elk with the 150 grain sierra spitzer in 30-06 and 180 grain sierra spitzer in 300 win mag
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well if the tsx shoots like a nosler partition then I'll start out by trying the tsx 150 because my 300 likes the nosler partitions 180 grain!  I'm working on a load of 180 gr. nos. ptp for elk right now.  Can't wait to try them out sometime this week weather permitting of course.  Im really starting to like this reloading thing.  Saves a little money, well it will in the long run not yet of course (just getting started)!  except i really dont think it will save me money since i find myself shooting much more, with all the tinkering you can do it makes it a lot more interesting. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote pyro6999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/01/2007 at 21:13
im no barnes expert but i am going to go out on a limb and guess that the 150 tsx will peform more like a 180 grain nosler part. than any other 150 grain bullets
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I also have a 270 winchester so when i get the dies for it i will more than likely use it for coyotes.  i was just asking as a theoretical question because i wanted to know if anyone was geting good accuracy with light bullets.  It sounds like you can get away with shooting lighter bullets but i think that now i would stay away from loading really light for the particular caliber.  I will have to experiment with something around 150 weight for my 300 win mag to see if i can get a good deer cartridge that shoots a little flatter.  I will be hunting mulies outsside of salmon idaho this year so i want to customize a load for some longer shots out to about 300 yards.  It sounds like crash has it figured out for his gun crash wrote, "I'm loading 150 TSX  in my 300win @ 3400 fps, shooting 1/2"  at 100 yds", great feedback guys you have answered a lot of my questions about the effective range of bullet weight for a particular caliber, i appreciate it!

 

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If a .30 cal is all you have for coyotes I would suggest you use 150gr. FMJ. I was lucky and got good groups with the 110gr HP's and the 125gr SP's. They do a lot of damage, though. If you want great accuracy, with no expansion to reduce pelt damage, use the 168gr. Sierra HP match bullet. This is an outstanding bullet in just about any gun out there.
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