Caliber

i dont like the 180gr bullets in the 30-06, they dont expand well enough for me. i think its the lack of speed in the 06 that does it. a 165 is the perfect weight for the 06.

     The winner:30.06.
     I didn't want to take the risk to go on mag.and to not liked.The 30.06 is in the middle ,has enough power and can be find in every places.If the majority like it...is for a reason.

300 win mag.  Great all around gun.  If you are worried about recoil, shoot the lighter bullets till you get used to it, and work up.  This cartridge will work on anything in North America plus some.

i had a .300wsm, i still have a .300win mag, there is a reason for that. imo the .270wsm is really the only one that was worth producing (sorry ted) the rest of the series imo was a waste.  the the 7mags 300mag and .338 mags are all well established and these new wsm rounds only have one thing going for them (no belt) other than that they dont really improve on anything. the .270wsm on the other hand is better than the .270win, by a notable margin, approaching 270wby performance in a standard length action with no belt.  if you wanna chase bear with a 300wsm be my guest, but i promise you that you will get better performance from the .300win mag especially when the bullet weights go over the 180gr category. if this is your first rifle, you are certainly asking for the development of a seriously bad flinch, which is a terrible thing to start a shooting career with. bad shooting habits turn into more bad shooting habits. for your sake as well as the animals you will hunt you owe it to them and yourself to make it right. i would stay away from any magnum, other than the .257wby. even my .264win mag would probably make a poor choice for a first rifle. i started hunting big game with the .257 roberts, what a pussy cat. no flinch though. i then moved up to a 30-06, and for elk i didnt feel underpowered. i would probably go after bear with a 30-06 and feel pretty confident. the magnums only kill stuff "extra" dead, thats all they do for you. burn more powder, wear out a barrel faster etc. 

Originally posted by scavaleru        The first choice will be deer,moose is the second and bear(black) the third.The ammo for hunting has to be very precise(best in the market).But for training could be ordinary.        Bears scare me,too.        The area will be in Ontario-Canada.So,will be a lot of forest.I thing max.300 yd.        I never was to hunting.But I am good to shot the targets.

Given the info you have stated so far, I would go 30/06 for certain. No denying the performance of the magnums mentioned, but I would never recommend a magnum as a first rifle. You also stated that you wanted "ordinary" ammo for training/practice and the good ol 30/06 will give you that much, much better than any of the magnums. Shooting lots of practice rounds behind a magnum is not to much fun.

30.06 !