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Kickboxer 
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 Topic: Hawke Frontier SF 4-16x42, Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40Posted: August/23/2010 at 12:27 |
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Opinion, untempered by fact, is ignorance.
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koshkin
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Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 6306 |
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Posted: August/23/2010 at 12:04 |
Of course, I'll start working on it the day you run out of trees in Alabama. ILya
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www.opticsthoughts.com Those who are merciful to the cruel, are cruel to the merciful. Talmud |
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Kickboxer
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Posted: August/23/2010 at 11:32 |
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ILy,
Just one more comment... in the future, could you please strive to be a little more thorough in you evaluation??
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koshkin
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Posted: August/22/2010 at 00:38 |
Welcome to the OT! As far as your choice goes, you should post a question in the general forum. Generally speaking, if you are looking at Swarovski and Kahles, than VX3 is really not in the same league. It is a fine scope in its own right, but not in the Swaro/Kahles territory. ILya
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stickbow46
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Posted: August/21/2010 at 21:39 |
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Welcome to the OT 1927,plenty of great teachers on board,starting with Ilya.
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Rocky1927
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Joined: August/21/2010 Location: Indiana Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
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Posted: August/21/2010 at 16:34 |
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Thank you, Mr. Koshkin. I'm new here and am caught up in the (for me) bewildering decision of Conquest vs. Swarovski vs. Kahles vs. Leupold for my first "nice" scope. At 50+ my eyesight is not as it was and I have a m70 Classic that can shoot much farther than I can see well. I had sadly decided against one of the new VX-3 scopes until I read your great review. Now I suppose it's back in the running. The only "decent" scope I've ever owned is an old surplus Hensoldt in a G3 claw mount. This looks to be a fine place to lurk and learn!
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Best wishes to all...
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Leupold Shooter
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Posted: May/09/2010 at 06:55 |
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Nice comparison. Seems we consumers are the winners with this group of scopes. Had forgotten that I was a member here, so have only read this purchasing the the VX-3 2.5-8x36 on my Model 70 Classic in 30-06 hunting rifle and the VX-3 4.5-14x40 AO mounted on my 40-X rimfire silhouette rifle. Now, if I can find the correctly priced 36X with target dot for the BSA Martini MkII rimfire benchrest rifle I'll be good.
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koshkin
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Posted: October/07/2009 at 17:26 |
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I am applying for a "media" badge for the next SHOT Show which requires proof, i.e. industry relevant stuff that I have written and posted here. I will bring several of my threads back to the top to make them easier to find. Thanks ILya |
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koshkin
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Posted: August/03/2009 at 10:54 |
The specs in the table are from the websites. However, nothing seemed particualrly off including eyerelief. It appeared to be right around the advertised values. ILya
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safariarms man
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Posted: August/02/2009 at 17:40 |
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Excellent review. However, as a scientist, we both know that unless you perform a double blinded study, then subjectivity is always going to be a strong consideration in a review of any product. I know that it would be very hard to do that with rifle scopes, but it is still possible. With your knowledge of optics and science, along with SWFA, I would really like to see a double blinded study, possibly beginning with a group of fixed power scopes to make it simple in the beginning. Again, your review was thorough, engaging and quite good, but just some thoughts.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Posted: August/02/2009 at 13:00 |
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Did you pull the specs from the makers' websites or independently verify any? Eye relief is frequently mis-represented (I have found, through experience.)
Did the stated eye relief seem "off" on any of the scopes tested? |
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Tip69
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Posted: August/02/2009 at 09:55 |
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Wow.... thanks for taking the "time" to do these tests! Great writing, as this was easy to read and understand!!
Would be interested in hearing more about your "perceived" bias! Maybe you need to include a POS scope so you can at least give one unfavorable review.
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take em!
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