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    Posted: May/19/2009 at 16:51
Thanks for a great review,all that info & not enough MONEY [:}
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Did I miss it in your report, or was there any mention of the Falcon line (like the Menace)?  I hear good things about it at its price-point.  Very interested in their new generation 4-14x44 FFP and 5-25x56 FFP scopes as a lower-cost alternative or "tweener" scope before I bump up to a Premier.
 
 


I did not look at Falcon scopes.  I am sure they are decent scopes in their own right, but I can not, in good faith, recommend a scope with such a short warranty (it is either one year or five years, I can't quite remember).  It is not a very expensive scope, but it is not a cheap scope either.  In this price range, I expect the manufacturer to have more faith in the durability of their products.

Generally speaking, for people who want to get a tactical scope while they are saving up for a Premier/Hensoldt/S&B, I usually recommend a fixed power scope like the 10x42 Super Sniper.

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DOH!  I must have missed that about their warranty - damn, even Vortex et.al. offer Lifetime warranties.  Hmmmm.
 
So, 10x do me fine out to 750-1000 yards with a .308 or 6.5 Grendel shooting sillhouette targets for now?


I think you will be fine with 10x for shooting fairly large targets out to the limits of both cartridges.  My Super Sniper typically sits on a 308 boltgun, but my range only goe sout to 700 yards.  I have not tried it to further ranges.  The same Super Sniper has also spent some time on my 6.5Grenndel AR.  I did not feel handicapped by the scope in either case.

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Originally posted by koshkin

Originally posted by greywolf

Did I miss it in your report, or was there any mention of the Falcon line (like the Menace)?  I hear good things about it at its price-point.  Very interested in their new generation 4-14x44 FFP and 5-25x56 FFP scopes as a lower-cost alternative or "tweener" scope before I bump up to a Premier.
 
 


I did not look at Falcon scopes.  I am sure they are decent scopes in their own right, but I can not, in good faith, recommend a scope with such a short warranty (it is either one year or five years, I can't quite remember).  It is not a very expensive scope, but it is not a cheap scope either.  In this price range, I expect the manufacturer to have more faith in the durability of their products.

Generally speaking, for people who want to get a tactical scope while they are saving up for a Premier/Hensoldt/S&B, I usually recommend a fixed power scope like the 10x42 Super Sniper.

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DOH!  I must have missed that about their warranty - damn, even Vortex et.al. offer Lifetime warranties.  Hmmmm.
 
So, 10x do me fine out to 750-1000 yards with a .308 or 6.5 Grendel shooting sillhouette targets for now?
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Originally posted by greywolf

Did I miss it in your report, or was there any mention of the Falcon line (like the Menace)?  I hear good things about it at its price-point.  Very interested in their new generation 4-14x44 FFP and 5-25x56 FFP scopes as a lower-cost alternative or "tweener" scope before I bump up to a Premier.
 
 


I did not look at Falcon scopes.  I am sure they are decent scopes in their own right, but I can not, in good faith, recommend a scope with such a short warranty (it is either one year or five years, I can't quite remember).  It is not a very expensive scope, but it is not a cheap scope either.  In this price range, I expect the manufacturer to have more faith in the durability of their products.

Generally speaking, for people who want to get a tactical scope while they are saving up for a Premier/Hensoldt/S&B, I usually recommend a fixed power scope like the 10x42 Super Sniper.

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Did I miss it in your report, or was there any mention of the Falcon line (like the Menace)?  I hear good things about it at its price-point.  Very interested in their new generation 4-14x44 FFP and 5-25x56 FFP scopes as a lower-cost alternative or "tweener" scope before I bump up to a Premier.
 
 
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I was there.  That Premier is unbelievable glass, and love the reticle.

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Since I love my Vortex Razor Binoculars I'm excited about the soon to be released Razor rifle scopes. I can't wait for a review from Ilya and Chris and would also be very interested in John B's take!
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Originally posted by HOLLOWPOINT

Sightron S I, S II, S III (instead of S II Big Sky) and S IV (instead of S III) would have been  more logical designations for the various lines of riflescopes.


I suspect that Sightron ran into some trouble because their original S3 scopes have always had a 30mm tube and they wanted to keep that designation.  S2 Big Sky is indeed a pretty substantial improvement over the S2, but the S2 is no slouch in its own right.

Sightron faced a problem with the Big Sky scopes: how to slot a new scope line between S2 and S3.  Somehow, I do not think S2.5 would work all that well.

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Sightron S I, S II, S III (instead of S II Big Sky) and S IV (instead of S III) would have been  more logical designations for the various lines of riflescopes.
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Sightron Big Sky should do away with the S2 designation.The S2 is a good scope but the Big Sky S2 is a much better scope and I believe many people pass up the S2 Big Sky because of the higher price.Sightron should have marketed it as the Big Sky without the S2, because these are not the same scope the Big Sky in my opinion is the best scope coming from Japan today.   
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Originally posted by koshkin

Update on upcoming Vortex tactical scopes: Vortex guys asked me to stop by again a couple of days into the show to talk about their upcoming line tactical scopes.  It turned out that they planned to do more than just talk: they had two nearly-fully-done prototypes of the new Razor line of scopes to show me.  The scopes I saw were: 5-20x50 with a 35mm tube and 1-4x24 with 30mm tube.  Both scopes have FFP illuminated reticles and exposed knobs and are made in Japan.  It certainly looked like a lot of thought went into their design, since I had comparatively little to pick on (and I assure you I can usually find something to pick on).  The knobs had very nice feel to them.  The glass looked good to the extent that I could tell.  The reticles had interesting designs, that I think are very functional. 

Are there any pictures available of the new Vortex reticles found in 5-20x50?
If not, does it resemble some other known reticle?
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I'm with ya, Jeff.  I like them a lot too.  I paid considerably less than the current going rate for mine, so I got a great deal. 
 
I agree they aren't as good as their main competitors in low light, but again, I don't use mine at all in low light, since they are on my pd & target rifles where their super thin reticles and great mechanics really shine.  I have other scopes that I use for low light hunting that are much better suited to the task.  Again, just like any other piece of gear, suitability for the task all depends on the intended use.
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