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Am looking to get a new pair of bino's and am leaning towards something HD. My question is what seems to be the best out there. I would like to stay in the $500 to $1200 ballpark. Thanks in advance.
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Bill,
CF II actually has a great set of bino's that he was trying to sell.
 Vortex Razor 8.5x50
I believe that he only wanted $1,000 for them.
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Actually he has them for under $1000 now shipped. I tried posting a reply but it said I didn't have permission to post a reply.  I was curious as to why he was selling them. They are one of the bino's I have been interested in. I won't be able to purchase until November 11th when I get my bonus from work.
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If you can wait past November, I strongly suggest you wait for the release of the new Zen Ray Prime HD.  That's going to be an awesome glass from all evidence I've seen.  It will be in the $650 price range.  That will probably show up just after the first of the year.
 
If you need to purchase when you get your bonus, you don't gain a thing trying to improve the likes of the ZEN ED 3 or the Vortex Talon which are at the bottom end of your budget.  The gain even in 2x the level of your upper budget limit is pretty small nowadays.  I have a Vortex Razor HD.  I have showed it and the ZEN ED 3 side by side to quite a few people, and nobody preferred the Razor to the ED 3, especially when thy found out what the price was.  This did surprise me some I do have to admit.  The Theron Wapiti APO ED or the Kruger Caldera are excellent choices as well, easily playing in that optical ball park.


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The Leupold Golden Ring HD series is pretty awesome.  Their warranty, should it ever be needed, is the best in the business, the one all others strive to emulate AND has the benefit of a history of having been honored stretching back many decades. 
 
So too, Vortex has the Razor, Talon, and Viper models each of which uses HD glass.   The Viper line offers FOV that is a bit narrow for me but the Talon and Razor lines are better in this regard.  The Razor would be the clear top of the heap and the 8x42 model is within your $1200 budget.
 
I don't have a lot of experience with the Zen Rays, Krugers, or Therons and I don't doubt they are optically very good but, I have quite a bit of difficulty considering them as a realistic choice for anyone except perhaps someone who has a lot of disposable income and /or likes to collect binoculars.  This may seem counter intuitive to some as these brands cost significantly less than their brand name cousins but, none of these brands have proven themselves in the market yet so; who knows how long they will be around?  Even Vortex is just now entering a longevity phase where I am comfortable considering them as a viable option. 
 
I remember just a couple of years or so ago the Promaster brand came onto the stage with a lot of fan-fare and enthusiasm.  They got great reviews on lots of forums and were supposed to be THE brand that would give the major name players a run for their money.  I remember doing reviews of both their Infinity Elite binoculars and spotting scope. As I recall I liked the binoculars better than the spotting scope which I felt had some pretty significant problems.  Now, just a short few months later, nobody talks about them at all.  In fact, I only know of one company that still even sells anything by Promaster. 
 
Zen Ray, Kruger, Theron, and whatever other new brand to come along could be all they are touted as being, but until they have been around long enough to prove themselves as a viable, long-term presence in the market, I'll stick with better known names whose likelihood of continued success is less of a question mark.
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Lucznik:
 
Good of you to bring up an important thing that should be in most buyers minds, and that is
warranty, and the long term.  You have explained some of the makers that have been around long enough to earn a high rating. Smile  In the midrange, Leupold, Vortex, are there, and as far as the top alpha makers, Swarovski, and Nikon seem to be tops with excellent warranty reports.
 
There are a lot of Chinese clones, that have only been around for a year or 2, quality and performance
may vary.  Warranty, we will see what happens?
 
 
 
 
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Well as far as Warranty goes, Vortex is going to win that hands down, I am sure anyone who has used it before would agree.

As far as HD glass, we should probably clarify what this actually means. Vortex mensions this a lot, but it's simply referring to the use of extra-low dispersion glass. Though, even with this, you are not guaranteed a full field free of aberrations or other anomalies. Our eyes even have this, but luckily our brain is a larger part of the process of the two.
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

The Leupold Golden Ring HD series is pretty awesome.  Their warranty, should it ever be needed, is the best in the business, the one all others strive to emulate AND has the benefit of a history of having been honored stretching back many decades. 
 
So too, Vortex has the Razor, Talon, and Viper models each of which uses HD glass.   The Viper line offers FOV that is a bit narrow for me but the Talon and Razor lines are better in this regard.  The Razor would be the clear top of the heap and the 8x42 model is within your $1200 budget.
 
I don't have a lot of experience with the Zen Rays, Krugers, or Therons and I don't doubt they are optically very good but, I have quite a bit of difficulty considering them as a realistic choice for anyone except perhaps someone who has a lot of disposable income and /or likes to collect binoculars.  This may seem counter intuitive to some as these brands cost significantly less than their brand name cousins but, none of these brands have proven themselves in the market yet so; who knows how long they will be around?  Even Vortex is just now entering a longevity phase where I am comfortable considering them as a viable option. 
 
I remember just a couple of years or so ago the Promaster brand came onto the stage with a lot of fan-fare and enthusiasm.  They got great reviews on lots of forums and were supposed to be THE brand that would give the major name players a run for their money.  I remember doing reviews of both their Infinity Elite binoculars and spotting scope. As I recall I liked the binoculars better than the spotting scope which I felt had some pretty significant problems.  Now, just a short few months later, nobody talks about them at all.  In fact, I only know of one company that still even sells anything by Promaster. 
 
Zen Ray, Kruger, Theron, and whatever other new brand to come along could be all they are touted as being, but until they have been around long enough to prove themselves as a viable, long-term presence in the market, I'll stick with better known names whose likelihood of continued success is less of a question mark.
This my friend, is an excellent post and advice.
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I agree with lucznik to a point about warranty concerns. 
 
Leupold is going to be around for a long time.  The Big Three Euros are the same.
I certainly think Vortex has earned a spot at the table, and they aren't going anywhere.
 
Kruger is also not-so-new.  Kruger has been around since 1998, and evolved from Pacific Rim Optical, which has been around longer.  They even assemble their top-of-the-line riflescope on US soil.
Zen Ray seems to have won a bigger share of the Chinese ED market, and shows no signs of slowing down.  Will they be around in ten years?  Who knows, but I suspect so.  In the meantime, they are getting Gold Stars for customer service, and they are constantly releasing new, interesting products.
 
There is some additional risk in purchasing a product from a "new" company.  However, the rewards (particularly in value) can also be great.
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Not only am I anxiously awaiting the new Zen Ray prime ED, same goes for the new Leupold GR HD's.  I can only assume they'll be ready in time for SHOT 2012 but who knows.  The Zen ED2's I had took a pounding and performed great.  The euros and the Nikon EDG are grossly overpriced IMO.  
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

The Leupold Golden Ring HD series is pretty awesome.  Their warranty, should it ever be needed, is the best in the business, the one all others strive to emulate AND has the benefit of a history of having been honored stretching back many decades. 
 
So too, Vortex has the Razor, Talon, and Viper models each of which uses HD glass.   The Viper line offers FOV that is a bit narrow for me but the Talon and Razor lines are better in this regard.  The Razor would be the clear top of the heap and the 8x42 model is within your $1200 budget.
 
I don't have a lot of experience with the Zen Rays, Krugers, or Therons and I don't doubt they are optically very good but, I have quite a bit of difficulty considering them as a realistic choice for anyone except perhaps someone who has a lot of disposable income and /or likes to collect binoculars.  This may seem counter intuitive to some as these brands cost significantly less than their brand name cousins but, none of these brands have proven themselves in the market yet so; who knows how long they will be around?  Even Vortex is just now entering a longevity phase where I am comfortable considering them as a viable option. 
 
I remember just a couple of years or so ago the Promaster brand came onto the stage with a lot of fan-fare and enthusiasm.  They got great reviews on lots of forums and were supposed to be THE brand that would give the major name players a run for their money.  I remember doing reviews of both their Infinity Elite binoculars and spotting scope. As I recall I liked the binoculars better than the spotting scope which I felt had some pretty significant problems.  Now, just a short few months later, nobody talks about them at all.  In fact, I only know of one company that still even sells anything by Promaster. 
 
Zen Ray, Kruger, Theron, and whatever other new brand to come along could be all they are touted as being, but until they have been around long enough to prove themselves as a viable, long-term presence in the market, I'll stick with better known names whose likelihood of continued success is less of a question mark.
Nice speech and I agree with  it as far as it goes.  It is however, only one side of this whole issue.  This OP and the way the replies have gone is as good an opportunity to air this out somewhat.  What you seem to miss with Promaster is that they got sales rights to the glass and promptly proceeded to do not one damn thing with it.  Zen Ray however took it and ran and they are seemingly off to a good start.  Zen Ray is now past the use of the original design of Jerry's "Chinese Clone" description.  The new ED 3 is from a different source and ZR most likely will not use the original source any longer.
 
I have always had, have now, and will likely always have Leupold products.  I would normally have recommended the Gold Ring but it is discontinued, so I didn't.  You are right, it is a heck of a binocular.
 
But I happen to like the "rest of the story" approach here.  Keep in mind that this is a response to the general point lucznik raised, rather than a direct response to his post.  I have no wish for a war here. Thinking about this for a bit and digesting his pretty standard post in opposition approach, I have realized one big reason why I happen to be so fond of Zen Ray, Kruger, and Theron.  There is only one reason for these companies to exist in the first place.  That is because these guys recognized that very high quality optics at very decent prices were a producible product and that there was a market for them.  Did we see the major players move to fill what now appears to be an obvious void?  No we didn't.  That made me realize I'm pretty well torqued at the major players for sitting on their asses and relying on every body's brand loyalty and just keep on offering mediocrity.  All we have to do is look at Nikon's continuing machinations with the once classic, but now worn out Monarch design.  Did they really improve it ever?  Not in my opinion.  Leupold certainly had ample opportunity to step up with their Green River line and promptly did nothing (except for the Yosemite).  Now the Green River an Monarch binoculars are certainly decent mostly useable glass, but they are not at the level of the Zen Ray, Kruger, and Theron offerings.  Do we see a ZEN ED 3, Kruger Caldera or a Theron Wapiti APO-ED in (insert the favorite major player here} lineup?  No there is not. 
 
I guess I have always tended to be an early adopter when I see something I like that I have been looking for for a long time.  I have to watch how I spend my money, and I happen to think that spending over $2k for a good binocular is nothing short of ridiculous.  I also see no crime in being new.  These days nobody knows what major player might be on their last legs, or which new guy might rise and then fall...or not.  Some guys I think would be just fine with two PVC tubes on a hinge with window glass lenses if it came from a major player and had a good warranty.
 
Vortex is nowadays seen as having some longevity, but Vortex never appeared on the mainstream optics scene until the 2006-ish time frame.  I remember finding them when I was looking for an upgrade to the Monarch.  That is in fact about the same time frame Zen Ray first showed up.  Kruger Optical has as its nucleus former Leupold and Bushnell people who were dissatisfied wit the way things were going and decided to make their own.
 
I see Zen Ray et al as analogous to talk radio.  Talk radio would not exist today if the mainstream media would have done their jobs and reported all of the news.  Zen Ray et al would not exist if the major players would have pulled their heads out and actually looked at the need Zen Ray et al are filling.  I for one think Zen Ray et al needs a great pat on the back from everybody for ramping up the competition.  As for early adoption, Zen Ray has my money on hand for the first Zen Prime HD.


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2 weeks back I bought a Leica Geovid HD bino RF combo.  I have been using Cabelas Euro binos (Meopta Meostar) for several years and have been very happy with them.  But I hated having to always have both my Meostar and my Leica RF in my hands, so I wanted a combo setup to simplify things.

I spent all last week hunting and using both the Meopta and Leica, I honestly cannot tell much of a difference in the optics of the two.  If anything I would say that the Meoptas are slightly better because they have a larger sweet spot in the center of the image.   The Leicas are a little fuzzier on the edges than the Meoptas.  I am being real knit picky here, but that is how I see it.  My dad who have been using Meoptas for several years as well saw it the same as did my wife.  I spent $700 on my Euros and over 3 times that on the Leicas.  I am not saying the Leicas are bad by no means as the optics are very good, but I am agreeing that you don't need to spend much these days to get some excellent glass. 

I would never have spent that much money if I did not want a good bino rf combo, even now I have serious buyers remorse.  But I really really enjoyed being able to view and range all at the same time with the same unit.  Bucky


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Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

The Leupold Golden Ring HD series is pretty awesome.  Their warranty, should it ever be needed, is the best in the business, the one all others strive to emulate AND has the benefit of a history of having been honored stretching back many decades. 
 
So too, Vortex has the Razor, Talon, and Viper models each of which uses HD glass.   The Viper line offers FOV that is a bit narrow for me but the Talon and Razor lines are better in this regard.  The Razor would be the clear top of the heap and the 8x42 model is within your $1200 budget.
 
I don't have a lot of experience with the Zen Rays, Krugers, or Therons and I don't doubt they are optically very good but, I have quite a bit of difficulty considering them as a realistic choice for anyone except perhaps someone who has a lot of disposable income and /or likes to collect binoculars.  This may seem counter intuitive to some as these brands cost significantly less than their brand name cousins but, none of these brands have proven themselves in the market yet so; who knows how long they will be around?  Even Vortex is just now entering a longevity phase where I am comfortable considering them as a viable option. 
 
I remember just a couple of years or so ago the Promaster brand came onto the stage with a lot of fan-fare and enthusiasm.  They got great reviews on lots of forums and were supposed to be THE brand that would give the major name players a run for their money.  I remember doing reviews of both their Infinity Elite binoculars and spotting scope. As I recall I liked the binoculars better than the spotting scope which I felt had some pretty significant problems.  Now, just a short few months later, nobody talks about them at all.  In fact, I only know of one company that still even sells anything by Promaster. 
 
Zen Ray, Kruger, Theron, and whatever other new brand to come along could be all they are touted as being, but until they have been around long enough to prove themselves as a viable, long-term presence in the market, I'll stick with better known names whose likelihood of continued success is less of a question mark.
Nice speech and I agree with  it as far as it goes.  It is however, only one side of this whole issue.  This OP and the way the replies have gone is as good an opportunity to air this out somewhat.  What you seem to miss with Promaster is that they got sales rights to the glass and promptly proceeded to do not one damn thing with it.  Zen Ray however took it and ran and they are seemingly off to a good start.  Zen Ray is now past the use of the original design of Jerry's "Chinese Clone" description.  The new ED 3 is from a different source and ZR most likely will not use the original source any longer.
 
I have always had, have now, and will likely always have Leupold products.  I would normally have recommended the Gold Ring but it is discontinued, so I didn't.  You are right, it is a heck of a binocular.
 
But I happen to like the "rest of the story" approach here... I have realized one big reason why I happen to be so fond of Zen Ray, Kruger, and Theron.  There is only one reason for these companies to exist in the first place.  That is because these guys recognized that very high quality optics at very decent prices were a producible product and that there was a market for them.  Did we see the major players move to fill what now appears to be an obvious void?  No we didn't.  That made me realize I'm pretty well torqued at the major players for sitting on their asses and relying on every body's brand loyalty and just keep on offering mediocrity.  All we have to do is look at Nikon's continuing machinations with the once classic, but now worn out Monarch design.  Did they really improve it ever?  Not in my opinion.  Leupold certainly had ample opportunity to step up with their Green River line and promptly did nothing (except for the Yosemite).  Now the Green River an Monarch binoculars are certainly decent mostly useable glass, but they are not at the level of the Zen Ray, Kruger, and Theron offerings. 
...Kruger Optical has as its nucleus former Leupold and Bushnell people who were dissatisfied wit the way things were going and decided to make their own.
 
You make some good, impassioned points here.  I'm not sure I "misssed" anything about Promaster.  I wasn't attempting to analyze why their products have all but failed.  Rather I was just pointing out that they have.  I agree with you about the Nikon Monarch and the Leupold Green Ring products (except for the Yosemites which I too find to be an amazing product).
 
I also don't disagree that some of these start-ups have attacked a niche that was seemingly left untouched by many of the major players, though Bushnell does have its Legend Ultra HD line which merits consideration.   I just think you are a bit early to be trying to tell "the rest of the story" as these companies haven't been around long enough to have a "rest of the story."  (That and I have found little evidence that HD/ED/XD or whatever glass provides a meaningful advantage in optics of the low magnifications common to binoculars - but, that's a different story for a different post.)
 
If anyone feels they want to get in on the ground floor of these companies and potentially benefit from their offerings, I wholeheartedly support them.  That is, just so long as they clearly understand that they are taking a significant risk.  If/when the warranty becomes needed and the company is no longer around, that great bargain won't look so awesome, or inexpensive, anymore.  I wish these companies only the very best of luck in a very, very competitive market, but I won't be supporting them with my cash, or my recommendations, just yet.
 
As an aside, your complaint about big companies not pushing the envelope to provide the very best for their customers is not new.  An excellent example can be found in the use of phase correction coatings on roof prism binoculars.  No major player offered such coatings in anything but their top-level binoculars until Pentax came out with their DCF-WP line in (I think) 1995.  In fact, up until that point, the very existence of phase correction coatings and their benefits were maintained as something of an industry secret that only the top brands knew about.  You didn't know why back then but, when you looked through various binoculars, the superiority of the big-name offerings was quite easy to see and it made accepting their higher price tags so much easier.  Shortly after Pentax broke the ice though, phase corrected roof prisms became, and have remained, the minimum standard for all.  In fact adding phase correction to compete with the DCF WP was the very first in the long line of improvements the Monarch line was ever given.  The big players rarely ever lead the market, but they almost always later dominate it. 
 
 
 


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If two competing companies are staking their future on (1) a $1200 Vortex Razor HD, or (2) A $600 Zen Ray Prime ED, I'm betting the future looks brighter for the Zen Ray brand.  With the high level of competition, Vortex blew it with a $1200 price point Razor HD.    
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

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As an aside, your complaint about big companies not pushing the envelope to provide the very best for their customers is not new.  An excellent example can be found in the use of phase correction coatings on roof prism binoculars.  No major player offered such coatings in anything but their top-level binoculars until Pentax came out with their DCF-WP line in (I think) 1995.  In fact, up until that point, the very existence of phase correction coatings and their benefits were maintained as something of an industry secret that only the top brands knew about.  You didn't know why back then but, when you looked through various binoculars, the superiority of the big-name offerings was quite easy to see and it made accepting their higher price tags so much easier.  Shortly after Pentax broke the ice though, phase corrected roof prisms became, and have remained, the minimum standard for all.  In fact adding phase correction to compete with the DCF WP was the very first in the long line of improvements the Monarch line was ever given.  The big players rarely ever lead the market, but they almost always later dominate it.  
 
You are quite right about Pentax and the phase coatings.  However, I am not sure so much about the well kept industry secret as much as I think that the process was technically difficult, slow, and very expensive.  Everybody and their brother followed suit and within just a few years all of the mid price offerings had a phase corrected glass or two, I thing because technology started advancing to make it less technically demanding and a lot cheaper.  But that is where it stopped.  Talk about dropping the ball, Pentax went from industry leader to also ran almost overnight as we saw nothing for a good long time from them after they came out with the SP or the SP ED.  From that 1995 date to, say 2008-09ish, all of the major players had mid level phase corrected binoculars that looked like they were speced off of the same, or nearly the same sheet.  Vortex, very quitely slipped in some ED glass in their original Vipers and Razors, but it was Zen Ray that pioneered the combination of wide, expansive fields of view, along with the ubiquiutious phase correction, to finally combine that with dielectric coatings and ED/HD glass and keep the whole shebang under $500.  Not that I think Zen Ray particullarly pioneered any technology, they just had the foresight and timing (luck has a whole lot to do with success) to combine some newly emerging design,  glass, and coating technology.  So while Pentax did some pioneer work, it was a lesser known company that had to come along and push the performance level up a notch or three.
 
So while the major players may well come to dominate things, it seems they better be getting off of  being stuck at top dead center and start doing something.  The bar's been raised, the big players response had better not be just to make their stuff more expensive.  That limit may have been reached, who knows.
 
I also think it is entirely relevant to delve into the other side of any story, despite the fact that Zen Ray, and the others are relatively new.  Longevity has nothing to do with having two sides to any story.
 
Now, having said that, I do not wish to dismiss the importance of company history and warranty policies, regardless of who they are.  I think the bottom line now is that there is a new level of competition in the optics world, fostered by these new guys.  I'm all for it and think we all benefit from it.  Seems like we have more to agree about than not, so I leave it at that.
 
I also tend to agree with JGR about the Razor comparison he raises.  I have shown the Razor HD and the ZEN ED 3 side by side to several people and to my surprise, nobody liked the Razor better.  I'm going to have to dust off the Razor review I did and modify it a bit.


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Colleagues,
Could you inform me please what is the difference between Swarovski SLC HD 10x42 and Swarovski SLC WB 10x42? What was done better and what was done worse?
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http://www.birdwatching.com/optics/2008roundup/chart_main.html A little dated but this might help.The binoculars in your price range would be good choices imo.
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Could you inform me please what is the difference between Swarovski SLC HD 10x42 and Swarovski EL 10x42 and Swarovski Swarovision EL 10x42? What was done better and what was done worse?
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Originally posted by alexbino alexbino wrote:

Could you inform me please what is the difference between Swarovski SLC HD 10x42 and Swarovski EL 10x42 and Swarovski Swarovision EL 10x42? What was done better and what was done worse?

 
The SLC HD and Swarovision EL utilize ED glass objectives, which reduce Chromatic Aberration (CA).  Both ELs have an open bridge design, while the SLC HD has a small single hinge.  Further, the Swarovision uses a field flattening lens, resulting in very low levels of distortion, and an extremely sharp edge.  This is a double-edged sword though, as low distortion leads to the rolling-ball effect while panning for some people, including me.
 
The SLC WB is similar to the SLC HD, but without ED objectives.
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Alex,
 
You asked about two different comparisons there. Here is the short of it.
 
The SLC "Neu" was/is a great glass with a very wide sweet spot and good ergonomics. The SLC HD is entirely similar but with the addition of ED (extra low dispersion glass) in the objective. This helps reduce color fringing on high contrast objects thus improving apparent sharpness and color representation/saturation. The Swarovski EL was the step above the SLC Neu. It had even better edge performance/a larger sweet spot than the SLC Neu plus it had the, then ground breaking, open hinge/bridge design.
 
Just to add more to the mix...Swarovski also introduced the Swarovision EL which basically had all of the same features as the original EL but with the introduction of ED glass in the objective.
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Dear Matt and Frank.
Thank you for answer.
SLC "Neu" slightly worse Swarovision EL?
SLC "Neu" and Swarovski EL almost identical optics?
SLC "Neu" pronounced low or high levels distortion or rolling-ball effect?
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In terms of the "total package" the ranking would probably now be....
 
Swarovision EL
Swaro SLC HD
Swarov EL
Swaro SLC
 
Now, that is entirely subjective. I am referring simply to the list of "upgrades/features" that each of these binoculars offers. Any individual may simply prefer one particular characteristic or model because of those characteristics.
 
As to your last question, I don't remember ever having the perception of rolling ball with the SLC Neu model.
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Frank.

Сould you inform me how strong is distortion, more or less than in
Swaro SLC?
 
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Originally posted by alexbino alexbino wrote:

Сould you inform me how strong is distortion, more or less than in
Swaro SLC?
 
I own the SLC neu, and it uses the same glass and coatings as the Swaro EL.  The biggest difference is the form (open bridge vs. hinge).
 
The SLC neu has very low levels of distortion and excellent edge performance, with only a little fall-off at the very edge.  The SLC neu does show a small amount of pincushion distortion, but just enough to prevent rolling ball (for me at least).  The ELs I have seen show greater levels of Chromatic Aberration than the SLC neu.  These are nitpicking differences, however.  The ergonomics are the biggest difference.
 
The SLC HD has a very similar image to the SLC neu, with better CA control.  CA is unnoticeable to me in that bin, and I am sensitive to it.  The Swarovision also controls CA to imperceptable levels, and has an extremely sharp edge.  To my eyes, it is as sharp at the edge as the center.  The rolling ball is quite noticeable to me, however.  Some people say that they no longer notice the rolling ball in the Swarovision after using them for some time.  It seems their brain adapts to the flat field image some way.  I don't know if that would happen to me.


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Matt,
Thank you for enlarged answer.
 
Alex
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