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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/08/sheriff-swaps-bonnie-and-clyde-era-tommy-guns-for-new-arms/

North Carolina sheriff swaps Bonnie and Clyde-era ‘Tommy Guns’ for new arms

By Perry Chiaramonte

Published January 08, 2014

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A North Carolina sheriff has pulled off a deal that should make everyone but the bad guys happy.

When two vintage Thompson fully automatic submachine guns -- better known as “Tommy Guns”-- were discovered collecting dust in the Forsyth County armory, Sheriff William Schatzman immediately realized their value. They weren't worth anything in the hands of his officers, but to a collector, it was like a law enforcement version of "Antiques Roadshow."

“We recently moved to a new facility, and we noticed what we had in our inventory during that process,” Schatzman told FoxNews.com. “It’s just like when you move to a new house. You start inventory and discover these things.

“We said, ‘What are they worth?’ When we found out we started to see if we could make a trade,” Schatzman said.

The Sheriff’s Department soon discovered that the pair of vintage guns, made in 1928 and donated by the RJ Reynolds tobacco company decades ago, could fetch $30,000 apiece. Since Schatzman runs a police department and not a museum, he pursued a trade in a firearms police supplier, ultimately netting 88 Bushmaster rifles for the old-time gangster guns.

“We came up with an idea to see if we could trade them in,” Schatzman told FoxNews.com. “We were able to get equipment we needed at no expense to the taxpayer and that’s a good thing.”

Schatzman's department sent out requests to 23 firearms dealers before striking a deal with Craig’s Firearm Supply, of Knoxville, Tenn.

“It took about a year, but we have finalized a deal and it should be completed at the end of this month,” the sheriff said.

The Tommy Guns are generally illegal, but, in this case, the pair was registered during a one-month amnesty period and thus allowed to be sold to collectors.

“The Thompsons are vintage but not streetworthy,” Schatzman said. “This trade will help us with obtaining what we need for today.”

The Sheriff’s Department also was able to use other weapons in the trade, including 14 Smith & Wesson revolvers, for nearly 200 Glock .45-caliber magazines and other replacement parts for the officers’ sidearms.

“The magazines and other parts wear out over time, [so] it is necessary that they are replaced,” Schatzman said.

The Thompson, or Tommy Gun, gained popularity in the 1920’s during the era of prohibition when it was favored by police and criminals alike.

In a recent article in local newspaper Winston-Salem Journal, Schatzman spoke of how he himself was familiar with the Thompson since he used it to qualify during training for the FBI and how political leaders decided that the Tommy Gun was not a proper tool for law-enforcement. Hundreds of the guns were destroyed as a result.

“Because of the stigma attached to the Tommy Gun and the organized crime and the bad guys back in the early days, it was determined that these weapons were not applicable to modern day,” he said to the paper.

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Pretty cool trade if you ask me.  Wonder how many other departments are sitting on relics or collectables they could do this and come out ahead for the tax payers.
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I saw that, G.  Great job by a sheriff looking to use his resources.  Those Tommy's will no doubt go to a good home as well.
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Did they not know they were in the armory inventory?? And how is this "coming out ahead for taxpayers"? 

  
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He traded the tommys for 88 bushmaster rifles.  Rifles that can be fixed, used, modified, etc., based on the current supply state for firearms.  I say "good work" to the sheriff.  He sent the guns to a gun distributor that will value the weapons for both their aesthetic beauty and their history, and his department now has current weapons that are effective and repairable, and fit for the purpose of law enforcement.  Contrast his actions with those of the newly elected Boston mayor, who doesn't think officers need to be armed with AR15s at all:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/30/incoming-boston-mayor-police-clash-over-ar-15-proposal/

Overall, I think the sheriff did an admirable job of using his resources, while ensuring that the historic  firearms will go to someone that respects and takes care of them.
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Well...that's YOUR opinion and your entitled to it. 

I on the other hand, am a resident tax payer of the great State of NC and hearing of a Sheriff's office right down the road from me acquiring 88 assault rifles that can be potentially used against ME in the time of a real or preconceived "threat", doesn't sound so good, my friend. 

I can't think of any good reason why our LE officials should be armed with automatic rifles either.   




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Whatever your feeling of this trade it is Capitalism at it's best!Must be lots of liberal puking after that article was printed Excellent
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Its not the local LE that you'll have to worry about when the time comes CT.  Those BTW are not automatic weapons they traded for, just semi autos.  I have another source that I can't publish that sent me more details and the link.
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Oh OK....so the guys that are now setting up unlawful "drivers license check points" all over heck won't be kicking down my door, Graham? 
Ever read any After Action Reports in the days after hurricane Katrina, Graham? I have. 

Oh I stand corrected....."semi auto".   Roll Eyes
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For what it's worth, I would rather have a bushmaster than a tommy gun in a firefight.
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lol,  they getting bad up there?  What you mean Unlawful check points?  Just curious.
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

For what it's worth, I would rather have a bushmaster than a tommy gun in a firefight.

Concur. 
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Disregard....I'll go back to making my tinfoil hats and watching for the black helicopters coming out of Bragg.  
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Mark I identify with your concern but, it is so good to hear about valuable pieces like that being made useful. Instead of cut up by mindless nit wit liberal city chiefs. I have to be grateful. Besides if any of those things you and I are concerned about do happen we're gonna be out gunned regardless. Our survival will be base on faith in God out thinking them and how mobile we are. Only those who can disappear in a moments notice (and be supplied) will last very long.
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I'm glad the Tommy Guns will be in a good home....And I'll leave it there.  
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I think it was a good thing the Sheriff did.
While I think I would rather have the Thompson than a Bushmaster, I know I would rather have 88 Bushmasters than 2 Thompsons. You can also rest assured that those 2 Thompsons will NOT go to any criminals.
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Unless Redjacket buys them and messes them up like the one they did for their sheriff
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I apologize for jumping on you with my rants, Graham. I don't apologize for what I said, but in the manner in which I said it.  
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I understand the hesitance to have a law enforcement entity armed to the teeth, but truth be told, most of the guys in law enforcement are on our side of the 2nd Amendment, and they are outgunned by the criminals they are charged to bring to justice.  Long before we have the po-po knocking on our doors for confiscation, etc., I think there would be massive public outcry.  Maybe I'm wrong, but it is against that backdrop that I made the comment regarding the Sheriff, who I applaud for making the deal he did to support his deputies.  No intent on my part to slam anyone else's views and concerns at all, because I think we should all be vigilant that our 2nd amendment rights are protected precisely for the reason Cheaptrick raised. 
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+1 DCAMM94.
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I think I'll add "Cheaptrick's DEFCON 1 Scenario Theories" to my list of things I won't comment on any longer. 

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You ain't bothered me my friend.  I hate government being allowed to have anything more than citizens myself.  
 
Aint sure what you are talking about with the unlawful checkpoint things, what you mean.
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I can sympathise with Mark's view of the situation after what happened to legally owned firearms in the aftermath of flooding in High River Alberta by the RCMP.  Kinda makes you wonder whose side they're on at times.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/12/09/high-river-gun-grab-broken-trust-sun-news-documentary-examines-the-controversial-actions-of-mounties-following-albertas-floods
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The license check points set up by local LE and HP, especially around the holidays and on weekends?  
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In a perfect world, anyone with 10yrs military or law enforcement back ground/training would be designated as civil law support. Allowed to carry open or concealed anywhere and be recognized by active duty law or military as backup in any confrontation.

Its sad but I know that in my area unless the officer knew me. If I came to offer assistance I'd be treated like an offender. Mostly because our local chief seems to insist that the "underprivileged gangbangers" need protection from their victims.
It should be a matter of honor and respect to those who have been trained in armed conflict. That they be respected because many of them have better more extensive training than some currently on duty.

And I can almost guarantee that the current administration is targeting that group of retiree's as potential enemies.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

The license check points set up by local LE and HP, especially around the holidays and on weekends?  


Saw that a few yrs ago. Had taken the family out visit family and to dinner new yrs eve and was headin home. Traffic was alittle sparse as it was about 11pm. Too early for the partiers to be headed home but late for the typical "innocent" travel. I don't know if I did anything to catch the troopers attention but he flew past me and cut me off forcing me to the shoulder. I'm a nice guy but that really crossed me. Fortunately my wife was able to calm me some before the trooper got to the window. Asked me where I was headed and how much had I drank that evening. While I responded he was shinnin his light thru the car. I guess he surmised that he'd made a bad call seeing my wife and daughter in the car. And before I could finish tellin him we were headed home he shoved my DL back at me and trotted back to his car.
Only thing I could can figure is they had a quota or bet on who would write the most DUI's that night.
Hasn't been many times I really wanted to swat a trooper but that was one of em.
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