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Going on a dream hunt of a lifetime to AK this fall.  I am taking my rem 700 in 300 win mag.  It currently has a sightron sII big sky 3-12x42.  I love the scope.  I am a big sightron fan but this is a trip of a lifetime for me and I feel like I need something better.  If I did not have a friend in AK with a jet boat and 4wheelers, this would probably be at least a $10,000 hunt.  I am feeling that this is the minimum scope I would take on a hunt like this.  If the kind people at swfa would take it on trade in, I could probably afford something in the $800 to $1000 range.  Should I upgrade?  If so, any recommendations?  Ranges could be anywhere from 50 yards to 400 yards so the minimum power range can't by over 4x.  I would prefer to keep it to 3 but could go 4 for the right scope.

I was looking at the minox za5 HD 3-15x50, steiner gs3 3-15x50,  and the conquest hd5 3-15x50 as possibilities.




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For 50yd shots I would want something with a wider FOV. This Leica 2.5-10x42 for the sample list has about a 50% wider FOV. And the glass doesn't get any better.

http://www.samplelist.com/Leica-25-10x42-ER-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P78486.aspx
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+1 on the Leica.
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Asking THIS forum if you need a new scope, is like asking a dairy farmer if you should drink milk. Wink
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That's not the correct manufacturer part number.  The 51013 is for the 3.5-14x42.

I knew that everyone would recommend buying a new scope.  I don't have to have a new one.  I am also looking at a McMillan stock.  I just feel like I should dress up my rifle for such a nice trip.  My momma never let me wear a t-shirt and jeans to church.

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If your gear works and works well, keep it since you're so familiar with it.  If not, a leupy FX3 6x42 is one of the most foolproof and reliable scopes on the planet.  Shots from 30-400 are not a problem. 
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Sightron Big Skys are fine scopes and tough, too. Their low- light performance is a little bit better than Zeiss Conquest, in my experience. Their only down side,  for me, was a limited eyebox, making a somewhat critical eye position, which can slow down target acquisition. You didn't mention what game you will be hunting, but if you are after a big brown bear, I see no reason to hinder your life expectancy with a fixed power high- magnification scope.
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I will be hunting caribou, black bear, and moose.  I will be in areas with brown bears.  I have no intention of shooting a brown bear unless I am being attacked.  I do want a scope with a lower power for quick close range target acquisition. 

I am intrigued with the Leica scopes.  Unfortunately, swfa does not have any of the discontinued models except the one on the sample list.  The Leica 3.5-14x42 ER with the target turrets looks like something I would be interested in.

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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

Sightron Big Skys are fine scopes and tough, too. Their low- light performance is a little bit better than Zeiss Conquest, in my experience. Their only down side,  for me, was a limited eyebox, making a somewhat critical eye position, which can slow down target acquisition. You didn't mention what game you will be hunting, but if you are after a big brown bear, I see no reason to hinder your life expectancy with a fixed power high- magnification scope.


"Hindered" by a fixed power......is that some kind of joke? 
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You left out high magnification.  6x scopes are not considered dangerous game scopes where fast target acquisition is a must if you want to survive.
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Though not dangerous game, I've shot dozens of hogs as close as 10 yards with a 6x.  Now if you just don't want one, that's fine and dandy.  To say they are a hinderence ? 
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Why doesn't anyone make a fixed 6x dangerous game scope?
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Has anyone used the target turrets in the Leica?  There are not many reviews on them but I have seen one or two bad ones.
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Though not dangerous game, I've shot dozens of hogs as close as 10 yards with a 6x.  Now if you just don't want one, that's fine and dandy.  To say they are a hinderence ? 

If you think that a 6x would be fine for close quarters dangerous game, then by all means, have at it.
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Though not dangerous game, I've shot dozens of hogs as close as 10 yards with a 6x.  Now if you just don't want one, that's fine and dandy.  To say they are a hinderence ? 

If you think that a 6x would be fine for close quarters dangerous game, then by all means, have at it.


He said 50-400 yds.  If you can't make those shots with a fixed 6 you need to stay in the deer blind. 
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It sounds to me like your pretty happy with what you already have. I would be more worried about other gear I might need specifically for AK. 

Sounds like a trip to remember.


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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:


He said 50-400 yds.  If you can't make those shots with a fixed 6 you need to stay in the deer blind. 

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Originally posted by Skytrash Skytrash wrote:

It sounds to me like your pretty happy with what you already have. I would be more worried about other gear I might need specifically for AK. 

Sounds like a trip to remember.




I agree with this.  If the gun/scope have done right by you, don't mess with it.  I'd look to my binos, spotter, and any AK-specific gear you might need.

On the McMillan stock: they tend to be quite awesome, but your budget won't go far, especially if it has to be pillar bedded, which I almost always recommend.

If you are good on binos, spotter, and other AK necessities, the Leica scopes are quite nice, great glass.  I owned one briefly (liked it) and a friend has a very early model with exposed turrets.  The glass is great, the turrets spin way too easy.
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I am teetering on the fence about buying one.  I am thinking I may go ahead and buy one and bring the sightron as a backup in case something goes wrong with the new one.  Thinking it through and if I really get the opportunity to take all three species then this is somewhere around a $15,000 hunt, maybe more.  I am fortunate enough to have a friend in AK with all the necessary toys and knowledge to accomplish this task.  I sure would hate for my scope to take a good smack and screw up 1000 miles from civilization.  A cheap used tasco scope will cost you a fortune in the bush.  

As for the mcmillan stock, I would pillar and glass bed myself.  I have some experience and I plan on practicing allot on other stocks before touching the mcmillan.  

As for the looseness of the leica exposed turrets, do you think the non-exposed turrets are the same way? The reason I ask is because I could get some aftermarket turrets for a leica without exposed turrets but if I would experience the same thing with the aftermarket turrets then that seems a waste.
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