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If you have owned one of each, which would you recommend? I'm hearing the prices are good on the Vanguard, but the bolt is buttery smooth on the T3, plus I've heard nothing but great things about them, as the Vanguard, I've heard some negative, not a whole lot, but some. What do you guys think?
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I really love the look of the vanguard deluxe/stainless, I don't think they made them anymore, but they still can be found.  Something about stainless and wood trips my trigger. 

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 Mike,what negatives have you heard about the Vanguard(Howa)?
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Cheap stock on the synthetic, guaranteed 1.5" MOA from factory but not in weatherby calibers, but actually not being a shooter at all, even with some handloaded/high end factory loads.
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  Oh,I was thinking you were refering more to negatives of the design of the actual Vanguard bbl'd action itself.
 
  Yea,I agree on the cheap synthetic issue for sure.  It seems lately that most brands of rifles come with cheap injection molded synthetic stocks.  They can DEFINITELY affect the accuracy potential of a rifle.


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I currently own both... my vanguard is a deluxe in 30-06 and my tikka is a t3 hunter in 308. I love both of them and they are both very accurate, but if I could only keep one it would be my tikka hands down. it's smoother, lighter and more accurate.
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  I believe a person looking to buy a rifle could do alot worse than not handling as many different ones as they can.  With my build I have trouble with stocks that have low combs,large diameter grips,and even std lop's. I handled a Tika at one time and it just didn't work for me.  With my S&W(Howa)I replaced the factory stock with a Brown Precision stock modified to fit me.  Where I run into problems is with rifles I don't want to alter the factory stocks on. With them the best I can do is mount a scope with plenty of eye relief in a way that I have a good bit of front and back adjustment.
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Mike, I was facing the same dilemma back in October.  I had a price point that I wanted to stay within and it came down to the 2 mfg's you are looking at. 
 
I handled both guns 50 times a piece at 4 different places and talked to lots of people about both.  I didn't get any damaging opinions on either gun BUT, I got 5:1 more opinions on the Tikka. 
 
Several other members here also have them and their opinions I would trust hands down.  All said buy the Tikka.  I will say the Vanguard just feels like more of a substantial gun in terms of weight. 
 
So I went with the numbers game.  THAT many people giving a glowing endorsement just can't be wrong.  I'm not saying the Weatherby is bad at all thats just how I ended up with my Tikka.  I put about 60 rounds thru it before hunting season and I was very pleased.
 
There are a few tricks you can do to deaden the hollow knock sound of that plastic stock.  Ping me if you buy it and i'll pass them along.
 
 


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Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

I currently own both... my vanguard is a deluxe in 30-06 and my tikka is a t3 hunter in 308. I love both of them and they are both very accurate, but if I could only keep one it would be my tikka hands down. it's smoother, lighter and more accurate.

really, i bet my vanguard will shoot just as accurately if not more than your tikka does. the vanguard sporter is one of the best wooden stocked rifles out there right now.
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I've shot a few Vanguards, they are nice guns for the money.  I am a Tikka fan, having bought/owned several.
The bottom "metal" and magazines on Tikka T3 are plastic, the stocks are ergonomically good but are on the cheap side (for the T3 lites.)  That said, action is very smooth, accuracy is outstanding, and price is very reasonably.

Vanguards can be had in the weatherby mag calibers (.257WM, for instance) which might be enticing, just be aware that if only Weatherby loads it, it will not be inexpensive to shoot. The actions are not bad, and accuracy has been good on the ones I've shot.

I recently considered a .257WM in a Vanguard, but decided against it when I looked at ammo prices and soft-point rounds, for a box of 20, were $60+, name-brand projectiles were pushing $90.

Having handled and shot both, I will buy more Tikkas.  Weatherby Vanguard is a decent gun, no major issues with it, I just like the feel of the Tikka more.
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I don't like Tikka's, for the reasons RC named and they just feel weird too me when I shoulder them.
I love the slick bolt, accuracy and decent trigger, but I honestly feel like they are a Sako knock off, at the end of the day.
 
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Obviously some Tikka experience on this thread.  I have one (for my son) in .308.  It's a wood stock and we love it.  I am looking for another one chambered in .270 or .25-06.
 
Here's the "problem."  There are 2 different wood stocks available.  Well, sort of available.  Of the several houndred T3 Hunters that I have seen, I have only seen 2 or 3 with the stock that I want.
 
Very few that I talk to (stores, gun shops, internet sellers, wholesalers, and even Baretta) even know that the "other" stock is out there.  One retailer I know got to a Baretta person who acknowledged the difference, but said that there was no way to find or order one.  Said it was luck of the draw.
 
Let me try to describe the difference:
The standard T3 Hunter has a very smooth, oil satin finish.  The wood actually looks nice and may even be better quality that the one I want.  You can see the wood grain, but cannot feel it.
 
The rare one is a little lighter in color, but is not the super smoothe finish.  Its more natural (my word) and you can feel some of the wood grain.  I like it better because, for me, it provides better gpip and control when carrying.
 
Question:  Does anyone have or has anyone seen the rare stock?  They actually have one in .30-06 at my local Gander Mountain.  Pronlem is, I dont want a .30-06. 
 
Actually, I'd buy it and trade the new 06 guts with someone if I could find someone with calibers I want.  Even considered buying it and another and swapping stocks and reselling one, but........
 
By the way, I talked to a few shops that would swpap no charge to get a sale if they had the stock that I want, but none do.  Gander won't swap.
 
While I'm at it.  Scheels had an exclusive offering of SS barrel with wood stcok.  Does anybody know if the wood is laminate or not?
 
Thanks for reading.  Comments? Help? Suggestions?
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In at least 6 vanguards I've owned, I've yet to find one that won't shoot with factory ammo. Better yet with handloads. The worst was a VERY light barreled Backcountry model, with a light fluted barrel would shoot factory Wby ammo to about 1.25", but would shoot it's favorite handload to less than 1/2" with boring regularity. I don't own a Tikka, but my dad, and uncle both own them, and they are nice too. If it were me, I  would handle them both, and see which fits best, and feels most comfortable. Fit can sometimes be the difference between a gun you shoot well, and a gun you don't. I've found the Wby style stock to work very well for me, so I've stuck with it.

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I've had 3 vanguards and 2 of the 3 were very accurate.  My only complaint is that the triggers on all of them were awful.  They are adjustable, but one I couldn't adjust to lower than 5 pounds...I think, and there was a lot of creep in all of them. 
The 2 that were accurate were really accurate, though.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

I currently own both... my vanguard is a deluxe in 30-06 and my tikka is a t3 hunter in 308. I love both of them and they are both very accurate, but if I could only keep one it would be my tikka hands down. it's smoother, lighter and more accurate.

really, i bet my vanguard will shoot just as accurately if not more than your tikka does. the vanguard sporter is one of the best wooden stocked rifles out there right now.
this target was shot from a rickety metal table with one sand bag using 150gr corelokts
 
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thats a pretty good group with a .308,

here's one similar in size with a .300wby



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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

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I don't like Tikka's, for the reasons RC named and they just feel weird too me when I shoulder them.
I love the slick bolt, accuracy and decent trigger, but I honestly feel like they are a Sako knock off, at the end of the day.
 
(Hunkerin down in my bunker.)
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Me either. I've had three, all are gone now. I'll just buy a Sako if the urge strikes. Loco

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man im on one right now, forgive me for being an asshole. im sorry you all. tough times right now.
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Pyro,
sorry to hear your still having tough times... I pray all that will be behind you soon! speaking for myself, I didn't think you were being an asshole at all in yours and my post, and I hope nobody thought I was! hell we are just a couple of friends poking some harmless fun with each other!! ...by the way, from the looks of that target, thats one sweet shootin 300 wtby!!!
 
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thanks man, im glad your cool. after i posted that i thought to myself  " that may have been a dumb thing to say"
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a guy i hunt with has a tikka t-3 in a .300wsm, he is the only guy ive ever hunted with that shot 4 deer on one deer stand in one sequence. two does and two fawns came out and he managed to paste all of them. it was awesome.... till we had to drag all of them!

tikka's are no doubt out of the box accurate, i only have one quam about them... the clip. ive heard people say well its plastic, yeah its tough plastic, you would have to really try to break one of those clips. the problem i have is that its something that can be lost, and if you dont have 2 or them your down to a single shot. other than that, tikka offers a lot of excellent calibers in their very accurate and very affordable rifles. who else do you know that chambers the 9.3x62 for less than $1000?
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Dang! I dont know whether to congratulate, or condole him! LOL. actually, lots of dragging, but worth it in the end! friend of mine got 3 does in one sitting....here's the part your gonna LOVE.... with his 270. he was a big help dragging, but turns out he had no clue how to dress them, so I got the honors. .. I thought I was gonna not like the clip on the tikka too ( and actually, I dont like it ) but it hasn't fell out yet, thank god! another thing against it is replacement clips are 60.00!!
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the most ive done is 2 in one sitting. i did that twice, once last season and once in 2002, thankfully the one last year was 100yds from my house. we loaded the deer in our skid steer bucket and took them to our shop to hang and skin.

ive often considered buying a tikka cause they offer some great calibers, like i mentioned the 9.3x62 and also the 6.5x55. if i do ever buy one i will be tempted to use some tape to keep the clip from going anywhere while in the field. maybe im paranoid. my browning abolts have clips, but they are locked into a hinged floor plate too.
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I have been contemplating a Tikka in 6.5x55 here lately, and that 9.3x62 would be quite the hog slayer....Dang it pyro! your a terrible influence!!... LOL, .....but,...on the other hand, I have not yet been sorry that I let you talk me into a 2-7 viper!Wink
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i love mine!! my brother in law took it out with my .375H&H and he killed a decent buck with it, he said it was a nice scope, so he actually took it on its maiden voyage.


i know im a terrible influence my wife tells me that all the time.Wink
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