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I'm trying to decide what rifle I want to buy and thought I'd get some opinions here.  Both the T3 and vanguard s2 have sub moa guarantees, both are available in stainless (which is what i want), and both are basically the same price.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to hold the new vanguard since it's not out yet (next month or so i think), but i bought my son a t3 for christmas and i really like the rifle.  I would be buying in either 300 win mag or 338 win mag.
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I can´t tall you much about the Vanguard s2, but i have a T3 stainless.
It's a great out of the box shooter. The bolt feels a bit loose, but thats the only negative thing i can say about it. I took a whitetail out on 323 yards last year. At that time i think i had shot about 20 rounds with it, practicing, so it's not a rifle i have done a hole lot of shooting with. Its just easy to use.
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i have a .300wby in a vanguard sporter, i love it, the trigger pull is a little bit heavier than i would like, but in hunting situations its more than adequate for me. and mine doesnt have a clip to lose either.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i have a .300wby in a vanguard sporter, i love it, the trigger pull is a little bit heavier than i would like, but in hunting situations its more than adequate for me. and mine doesnt have a clip to lose either.


the clip is one of the selling points for me though :)  i'd planned on buying the clip conversion kit if i'd bought a wetherby. 
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Originally posted by Claus Claus wrote:

I can´t tall you much about the Vanguard s2, but i have a T3 stainless.
It's a great out of the box shooter. The bolt feels a bit loose, but thats the only negative thing i can say about it. I took a whitetail out on 323 yards last year. At that time i think i had shot about 20 rounds with it, practicing, so it's not a rifle i have done a hole lot of shooting with. Its just easy to use.
Go 4 it.Wink
U had good spotter that told ya where to put it Wink lol
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if you want a clip then buy a browningWink
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Loosing your clip??
I know a lot of hunters, and a lot of them are talking about what a bitch it would be to loose a clip, but none of them (or i for that sake) have ever lost one most don't even knows of any who has. Do you?Wink
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Originally posted by Claus Claus wrote:

Loosing your clip??
I know a lot of hunters, and a lot of them are talking about what a bitch it would be to loose a clip, but none of them (or i for that sake) have ever lost one most don't even knows of any who has. Do you?Wink

murphys law tells me all i need to know in that instance. keep it simple stupid is my thoughts.  i have a browning abolt and a rem 788 both have clips. the 788 worries me, good thing its only used for coyotes. the abolt requires 2 things to happen before its clip hits the ground.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if you want a clip then buy a browningWink


i do want a stainless rifle, and the stainless brownings are quite a bit more expensive from what i can see. 

i don't owe any allegiance to 1 manufacturer or another... but 599.00 is the msrp for both of these rifles (the tikka and the s2), so any alternative would have to be close to that price range as well.
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i dont think you could wrong with either company, they both make great out of the box rifles.
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murphys law tells me all i need to know in that instance. 

I hear ya Pyro.
In this case i believe more in myself than i believe in good ol Murphy.This Much


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Originally posted by Claus Claus wrote:



murphys law tells me all i need to know in that instance. 

I hear ya Pyro.
In this case i believe more in myself than i believe in good ol Murphy.This Much



i do to, but things still happen beyond our control, sticks hit the release and there goes your mag. you may not hear it hit the ground as you walk.

i had a win. m70 30-06 that got the safety flipped to fire walking through pine dead fall once.Shocked
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Got my Son an A-bolt 30-06 last year.  He was in a tree stand and when he was going to get down, he released the "thingy" to take the clip out.  The spring that holds the clip in was too loose and the damn clip came flying out and fell to the ground.  5 of us looked with flashlights for about a half hour and could not find the clip.  Went back the next day during daylight and I found it in about 5 mins.  I adjusted the spring and now the clip stays in when you hit the release.

We both really like the gun and are glad I was able to fix the clip without it being a big deal.  BTW, he was still able to hunt with the gun, only as a single shot vs. a repeater.
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I have the tikka t3 and a weatherby vanguard, they are both excellent out of the box performers, but personally, I prefer the tikka. YMMV.
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Clips?

I thought they had detachable magazines.

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I went thru this same exercise last November and was down to the same two MFG's you are.  I know I drove the salesman nuts going between the Weatherby and the Tikka.  Not to mention the many members on this site asking their opinions.  One thing that I did not like about the Tikka was the Det Mag and the fact it was plastic.  I just 'was not' a det mag fan. 
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I ended up getting the Tikka and the final straw wasn't that anybody said anything bad about the Weatherby, but rather the number of votes in favor of the Tikka.  Plus speaking to a few people that have forgotten more about guns and optics than I will ever know. 
 
After shooting it for a couple dozen rounds and carrying it for deer season I really am a fan.  I actually love having the det mag and the trigger is very good.  I don't think I would have been disappointed with the Weatherby but I'm glad I got the Tikka.
 
One thing to consider, it's light so the recoil will be felt just that much more. 
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I can always put a limbsaver and/or a muzzle break on it if it's too bad... actually i'd planned on slapping a limbsaver on it right off... whether i got a vanguard or a tikka.  I seem to be having the same experience as you... lots of cudos for the tikka and not much about the vanguard at all.  given the fact i've actually fired a tikka and like it very much, i'm leaning that way.
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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

I can always put a limbsaver and/or a muzzle break on it if it's too bad... actually i'd planned on slapping a limbsaver on it right off... whether i got a vanguard or a tikka.  I seem to be having the same experience as you... lots of cudos for the tikka and not much about the vanguard at all.  given the fact i've actually fired a tikka and like it very much, i'm leaning that way.

oh so your knocking it without trying it, i see how this is gonna go down.Big Grin
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I'll warn you right now that the Vanguard detatchable magazine conversion will only fit calibers based on the .30-06 case, so your .300 win, or .338 would be out. If you go with the Vanguard, a Timney trigger would make it an amazing rig. My preference is towards the Vanguard, but I'm not dedicated to a detachable mag.
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I've not yet seen the new s2. I just looked them up, and would like to play with the new trigger. That being said, I don't know if they make a detachable mag kit for them either. But the price is right. I'll almost certainly own one.


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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Clips?

I thought they had detachable magazines.

Cool


+1....and it took a lot of pushups for me to get that through my thick skull!Big Grin
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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

I can always put a limbsaver and/or a muzzle break on it if it's too bad... actually i'd planned on slapping a limbsaver on it right off... whether i got a vanguard or a tikka.  I seem to be having the same experience as you... lots of cudos for the tikka and not much about the vanguard at all.  given the fact i've actually fired a tikka and like it very much, i'm leaning that way.

It does hit harder than the wood stock models. I took a lot of the recoil of mine, with a limbsaver like you mention. If you choose a muzzlebreak be aware you are having a gooood chance getting unpopular with your "nabours" when you visit the range. 
It is loud as hell.
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I have bought three tikka stainless rifles in the last year and all are sub moa they dont leave the factory if they dont shoot well.  One of the gunsmiths here that is quite knowledgable really likes the Weatherby/Howa rifles.  I have also had good luck with Savage Model: 16 FCSS  being good shooters. http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/   Weight wise Savage is 6.9 lbs Tikka just over 6 lbs Vanguard SubMOA is 7.5 lbs
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Pyro... go with what you know right?  I'm still very interested in the vanguard s2 as well... and i'm planning on getting either a 300 or 338 for a new elk gun.  that's a good enough reason to pick up a vanguard later, in a smaller caliber, since "honey, the win mag is just too much gun for blacktail" :)  I'm still not decided, just leaning towards the tikka, especially since i found one in a local newspaper NIB, with an extra mag and a limbsaver for 625.00... including tax thats about 150$ less than i'd pay at the store.

trigger... the one bit of advice i'd gotten about the vanguard (original) was the trigger difficulties, but the S2 supposedly has an all new trigger, so hopefully those woes are fixed.  I'm also not hell bent on getting a detachable mag, but it sure makes loading and unloading a lot easier when getting in and out of a vehicle often.

claus... the same guy that warned me about the vanguard's trigger warned me away from muzzle breaks for the reason you mention.  honestly, i don't care, lol.  there's a reason you wear ear plugs at the range, and if it makes a hard kicking mule of a rifle easier or more comfortable to shoot with accuracy, it's worth a little discomfort to my neighbors... i don't complain when they shower me with hot 22lr brass :P

imagine... the weight of the tikka is also a nice bonus.  i realize that's going to contribute to felt recoil, but humping a lighter rifle up and down the hills and waddies of eastern washington would be nice.

bottom line, unless i find a smokin' deal (like the 338 i mentioned) before the vanguard s2 comes out, i'll more than likely wait and handle one before i buy either.  if i do pick up a tikka for my elk gun, i can always buy an s2 or something else for a new deer rifle... or a plinker... or for my wife... or for my son, etc :)
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Ha ha. All right , your the boss. 
Don´t tell me i didn't warn you. Wink
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