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I'm planning to mount a Zeiss 3.5x10-44mm using either Warne's or Talleys.  I'm not concerned about adding a few oz's of extra weight with Warne's but do they need to be lapped and while on the subject of lapping, is it necessary to lap aluminum rings as well if I go that route?  I never lapped any rings before and whenever I had to remove scopes, they all looked new with no dents or markings.  Maybe I've been very lucky so far?

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I love Tikka rifles, best deal on a very accurate gun, and great right out of the box.

The rings are pure crap, but I guess you know that already.

I have Warne and Talley and prefer the Talleys (mostly because the light-weight rings have an integral mount rather than using the rail - and because I am not a huge fan of the look or function of the vertical ring halves that Warne and others use.)

I don't lap my rings, I guess it all depends on whether the rings "need" to be lapped.  With good rings (assuming the mounting holes on the reciever are in the right place), it isn't necessary.

BUT, I have had friends tell me that their scope, with the lower ring half attached to the base but the upper ring half not installed, binds.  I always install the lower ring half to the rail, put the scope in the lower rings, and make sure it slides freely without binding (this isn't possible with vertical rings - another reason I don't like them.)  If it binds, you NEED to lap, or you need to check your mounts. 

One man's opinion.  Others will disagree, I'm sure.
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I think the supplied Tikka rings are made by Millet, I don't like them either but many are using them without any issues, guess it depends on the cal and recoil.  As far as using aluminum rings or bases, I always wondered about corrosion due to two dissimilar metals in contact with each other.  I could be wrong, but I heard about this issue with Cooper rifles.  I believe Cooper use's machined aluminum receivers with their stainless barrels.  There was a report of corrosion occurring at the interface.  Don't know whether or not I buy into this but the use of dissimilar metals have caused serious implications in other applications. 
 
Talleys do look nice, how are the one piece models?
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

... I always install the lower ring half to the rail, put the scope in the lower rings, and make sure it slides freely without binding (this isn't possible with vertical rings - another reason I don't like them.)  If it binds, you NEED to lap, or you need to check your mounts. 

One man's opinion.  Others will disagree, I'm sure.
 
Now, I love to disagree with somebody whenever possible as some of you well know, but this sounds like a very practical and reasonable method of determining if lapping is needed or not.
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Originally posted by loaded4bear loaded4bear wrote:

I think the supplied Tikka rings are made by Millet, I don't like them either but many are using them without any issues, guess it depends on the cal and recoil.  As far as using aluminum rings or bases, I always wondered about corrosion due to two dissimilar metals in contact with each other.  I could be wrong, but I heard about this issue with Cooper rifles.  I believe Cooper use's machined aluminum receivers with their stainless barrels.  There was a report of corrosion occurring at the interface.  Don't know whether or not I buy into this but the use of dissimilar metals have caused serious implications in other applications. 
 
Talleys do look nice, how are the one piece models?
 I've seen galvanic corrosion cause fairly significant cosmetic damage (pitting) when aluminum bases are mounted to steel receivers. It's NOT a myth, in case anyone is wondering...
 I think it can be mitigated by good cleaning and maintenance. (Oil.)
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I nearly always lap my rings but I use a different process with aluminum because aluminum can take forever to lap. The way lapping (anything) is supposed work is the grit from the lapping compound imbeds itself in the softer material and the softer object will then act like ultra fine sandpaper. In the case of aluminum rings the compound will embed in the rings and remove at least as much material from the lapping rod. What I do is sand down a wooden dowel and then wrap it in fine sand paper and use a couple of strokes with that to get the rings close to true before finishing with a lap. You have to be very careful with the sandpaper because it's really easy to screw up the rings but if careful it saves a lot of time.

I used Talley Lightweight rings on my T3 Lite with a small scope and DedNutz another of my T3 Lites with a larger scope.

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Sholling, do you lap out of need or habit?

Have you had scopes bind in the rings prior to tightening?
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I've never bound up a scope but the last time that I let a gunshop chairborne commando mount a scope he left nasty ring marks. Since then I've mounted my own and lapped them. The first time that you lap a set and see how far out of alignment that it started out you'll get in the habit. If you have the stuff it only takes a few minutes and I spend way to much money on scopes to do a half way job. Besides with a 100% even contact area post-lapping you don't have to romp down on the screws to scope prevent slippage. Who can't afford the 20 minutes?

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Thanks guys, I really prefer steel rings on rifles.  Since the Tikka is so lite to begin with, a few extra oz's is couldn't really hurt. 
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i was getting ready to ask the same question i am thinking about buying a tikka t3 ss 6.5x55 and mounting the same scope i have used warne rings and really like them i have never used them on a tikka rail has any body had to deal with tikka's customer service i hear they are really bad thats the only thing keeping me from buying one. everyone that has one loves it
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The only problem I've had was due to a bad magazine and they were backordered 6 weeks at the time. 
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do they have a place in the us to fix or carry parts did you get your mag replaced free
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Repairs are run out of Beretta USA and getting a replacement was a hassle because they didn't have any. There was a HUGE shortage at the time. I had to locate a spare so I could shoot and then send them mine and wait for the next shipment. It was a pain. It turns out that Tikka had a run of 223 mags that were assembled with the spring in wrong. I think that's the main problem with dealing with imports is shortages of replacement parts. And unless the magazine supply has gotten better you don't want to lose the one that came with it and spares are like $60-70. Don't get me wrong though I love my 30-06 and will never part with it. Do plan on investing in a Limbsaver though. Tikkas weigh nothing and a limbsaver will help tame the recoil a lot.

I will be selling two other Tikkas (local only) but mainly because I never shoot them. The 30-06 does everything I need.
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