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I have been asking a lot of questions here trying to pick a scope for my M1-A  I have been looking at several mil-dot models and i noticed that the Zeiss Conquest line has a 4.5 - 14 x 50 mil dot model.  The question is does this have wenough elevation adjustment to get out to the 600 - 800 yard distance? I beleive they say it is 43 inches but i wasn't sure how this compared?   Could someone straighten mme out here?  Any other comments about this scope would be appreciated.  Durability on an M1A?

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I have read conflicting reports about this.

Some claim that this model actually has 43" of up. Which I seriously doubt in a 1" tube.

 

Even if this is the case, you'll need a 20 MOA rail to get out to 800 yards.  

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Some claim that this model actually has 43" of up. Which I seriously doubt in a 1" tube.

Doubt all you want.  Zeiss says 68 minutes total elevation range, and mine has 68.5.


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Originally posted by Infidel Infidel wrote:

Doubt all you want.  Zeiss says 68 minutes total elevation range, and mine has 68.5.

 

Right, you have 68 minutes of total elevation movement. 

So that would mean you have roughly 34 minutes of "up" from a mechanical center.

Not 43....For 86 minutes of total elevation.

 

I meant 43 minutes of "up" at mechanical center. I read that somewhere, but doubted that to be true. 

 

How much elevation is left after attaining a 100 yard zero??

How far do you shoot out to??

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The Leupold VXIII and the Mark4  in the long range version with a 30mm tube have a total of 100MOA adjustment which is about the best you will find. But my selection after a lot of thought and the advise of the best sniper instructors was to go with Leupold Mark 4 M3  10x.  The M3 system is set up for a gunfight as is the M!A.   This scope will drive a target shooter nuts because clicks are 1MOA elevation and 1/2 MOA windage. With M3 you dial in the distance and you are on target it is an idiot proof system for high stress engaging multiple targets at various distance in combat. (There is a used one on samplelist). Mounting a scope on an M1A presents multiple problems. The best set up is the way the M-25 is done but the M-21 side reciever mount will work with proper fitting by a gunsmith - (this is not a put it on yourself mount)The lack of a proper cheekpiece is the most critical factor. (All problems can be solved if you throw enough money or bullets at them.)

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I will say that if you dont put the stock and the adjustable cheekpiece on the gun forget the scope I took mine off and went back to iron sights. I do have an aimpoint in Armalite rings mounted to the side reciever mount scope base that I like (and take on and off) because proper head alignment isnt needed with the aimpoint.

 

P.S. There is no plus 20 MOA base for an M1A.  (without custom gunsmithing)

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Right, you have 68 minutes of total elevation movement. 

So that would mean you have roughly 34 minutes of "up" from a mechanical center.

Not 43....For 86 minutes of total elevation.

 

I meant 43 minutes of "up" at mechanical center. I read that somewhere, but doubted that to be true. 

 

How much elevation is left after attaining a 100 yard zero??

How far do you shoot out to??


Sorry, I misinterpreted your statement, thinking that you doubted a total elevation range of 43 inches. 

I mounted the Conquest 4.5-14x50 mil-dot using Burris Signature rings with the 20 thousandths offset inserts in the rear rings.  Short range zero is 16.5 "inches" down from mechanical center, leaving over 50 "inches" of up travel available.  I don't know (empirically) how far that will reach, but I think that going from 100 to 1000 yards with a .308 will take about 40 "inches", more or less, so the scope will do it.  If I needed more slant, then there is another 5 or 10 or 20 thousandths available with inserts in the front ring, each thousandth providing about an inch difference at 100 yards, depending on the ring spacing.

I put "inches" in quotes because I first said "minutes", which is sloppy terminology.  The scope adjustments are in inches at 100 yards, sometimes called "shooter's minutes of angle".  A true minute of angle is 1.047+ inches at 100 yards.

My point is that the Conquest scope has an excellent adjustment range.  It's also well up to the recoil from a .308 (or .338, or ???).

It's my opinion that anyone thinking of going to long range (1000 yards) with a .308 or similar really should automatically from the start plan on a slanted base, or rings with inserts, in order to put the range of expected settings more centered above and below the scope adjustment's mechanical center, no matter what scope is involved.  600 yards will need more in the range of 18 "inches" and could be done with the Conquest in a flat mount.  I use about 13 "inches" for 500 yards.

I also agree with the previous post about needing an add-on cheekpiece on an M-1A.  In fact, I just wouldn't put a scope on an M-1A.  The M-14 was not designed to use a scope, and any way you go about it, it's going to be ugly, awkward, and heavy.  On the other hand, the M-14 is very well designed for using its excellent iron sights out to 600 yards or more.  Installing National Match sights would be a good thing, but a scope would not, in my view.  I did in fact use an M-14 with a scope a few times once upon a time, without an add-on cheek rest, and it worked, but it was not elegant.  The scope was a "Starlight" scope.


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