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Okay guys- I'm a wife who needs help -
My husband has been wanting a zeiss conquest riflescope - the problem is for me to find this out I had to dig a little For that perfect Xmas gift and while I was able to find out that this is pretty much the only thing he wants, my digging didn't tell me exactly which one. I'm in the military plus I also hunt ( since being introduced to it through my marriage) so I am not just a complete idiot or totally lost on what I am looking at and reading but I was hoping to get a little advice to if I'm on the correct page or absolutely wrong. We live in mississippi so whitetail is what we have - we both have 7 mag but he also has a trillion rifles and such. He is young (30) with great eyes so everything is pretty basic there in not needing extra for sight. I do know that hunting 30 min pre dawn after dusk is a big deal for him. So am I on the right page looking at the model 3-9x50mm? I know nothing about the mounting part so are they universal? Lol? (Don't laugh :))
The more magnification you have the less light you get to your eyepiece - right!? Or again am I completely ass backwards here? Anyway - I need help is pretty much it- I want to get the best for the biggest pain in my ass :) JK

Money is no issue here and I'm up for all advice and tips - thanks - kris
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Welcome to the OT Kris!
 
Thank you for your service & happy hollidays Excellent
 
Most of your questions can be answered by our of our resident guru's Ilya Koshkin on his site Optic Thoughts .com
 
As far as mounting goes the company many of us go to is Talley one piece rings.These rings screw right onto the rifle no rail needed & they are strong enough to handle recoil past the 7mm.These rings can be purchased right on the SWFA site as with just about any scope you might be interested in purchasing.
 
Their customer service is second to none & they will answer any question you might have.They also have a very liberal return policy & stand behind all their products.
 
Yes a 50mm scope does allow or grab some additional light during the dark hours,thats the simple answer,but it comes at a price,it's heavier,more expensive & can catch onto bushes & twigs while walking or aiming.Again there is a ratio to the amount of light the eye can see even with young eyes.
 
If you know what distance your husband normaly shoots that would be very helpful in giving you a recommendation also there is a great Zeiss conquest sale going on at the SWFA site.
 
As I said check out Ilya's site,the man has forgotten more than most of us know about glass & optics.Good luck with your gift hunting & your husband has got to be one of the luckiest guys on the planet to have married such a carring person......Ernie


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Welcome to the OT forums AND what a great gift for your husband. Choosing the right scope can be a daunting task to be sure. The Zeiss Conquest is a great scope, but there are others also. One must consider variables such as typical shot distances and terrain types, eye relief (more critical on some hard kicking rifles than others), exit pupil (EP), lens coatings and optical quality, reticle choices, scope size (weight, length, 30mm vs. 1 inch tube), budget constraints, on and on and on. For general purpose hunting the 3-9 X 40 (or similar) is the norm. The Conquest 3-9 X 40 with a standard duplex reticle is the starting point. In low light this reticle is fine as is the #4 reticle. There are some great prices on these now. If you step up to the 50mm objective, both price and weight jump accordingly. This may or may not be an issue. If you really want to impress the hubby, I'd suggest checking out the Swarovski Z3 in 3-10 X 42 with the plex or 4a reticle. This is a wonderful all-around scope that's a step up from the Conquest line...of course it costs more too (sorry). Lets see what other thoughts show up. Anyway, good luck and Merry Christmas to you and your husband. Merry Christmas
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Welcome to the OT Kris.

I too hunt in MS.  Wife is from up around Houston, MS in Chickasaw County.  I have found the 3-9x40 Conquest with the #4 reticle to be more than adequate for hunting the 30 before sunrise to the 30 minutes after sunset that MS law allows.  The 3-9x50 would be a llittle brighter but, also heavier and it would have to be mounted higher as well as being more expensive.   Since you said money wasn't a problem I would consider the 3.5-10x44 with either a #20 or #4 reticle as the 44mm would allow more light than the 40 but wouldn't be as big as a 50mm.  If you/he hunt big fields or powerline ROW's then I would look hard at the 4.5-14x44 for the increased magnification for longer shots.  Just my $0.02.
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HE"S GONNA LOVE YOU!!!!! thats all you need to know. thanks for your service!!!



on a side note, if money is really not an issue why not step up and get one of these??
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-25-10x50-Victory-Diavari-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P7727.aspx

he'd tip over on christmas morning if he opened that box up.Wink



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Great gift! I need to somehow get my wife to teleconference with you!

Of the Conquests, I would get the 3.5-10X44 with Z-Plex if it were me. To my way of thinking, this scope strikes the best balance of magnification range, weight, length, and objective diameter for hunting of all the Conquest scopes (of those still in production). I've always felt the other Conquests, while outstanding, are all a bit too large and heavy for their magnification ranges, compared to what's available in competing scopes in the same power range. Optical quality is outstanding, as you'd expect from any Conquest.

If you want to save a bit extra $, you can never go wrong with the 3-9X40 Conquest, but it's really long for a 3-9X40. I think the 3.5-10X44 is more size-efficient, and I really like the 44mm objective size on this scope - large enough for that little bit of extra light transmission, yet not so large that you have to get high rings to mount it. I own and use both scopes extensively, so I speak from first-hand experience when I say your husband will love either one!

I like the 4.5-14X44 as well, but this scope has more magnification than I'd ever need on a deer rifle, so I'd rather save the $ and have a more compact scope. I've never seen a big game hunting situation where 10X wasn't enough magnification to make a shot. If his rifle doubles as a varmint hunting rifle, then I'd opt for the 4.5-14X44.

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Kris.
Where I live (Norway), low light and night hunting over moonlit fields is the norm hunting deer, and legal as well.
That means I have a bit experience regarding low light hunting (no expert, but experienced Wink).
 
First of all, quality glass is the no1 rule which in my book says Zeiss, Zwarovski, Smith & Bender, Meopta and Leica.
All European, and all a bit on the expencive side, but remeber, Europeans have a long tradition for low light / night hunting.
 
For a scope suiting the kind of use you describe, I would go for a 2,5-10x50 Zeiss Victory with eighter reticle # 4, or illuminated reticle # 40.
This scope is not bulky, has exellent glass and will suit all the needs of a hunter.
It is a great scope for daylight hunting, and double up as a top notch low light sope as well.
I have that spesific scope on my Kimber Montana with reticle #4, and it is an exellent piece.
 
 
 
Lots of other scopes my qualify, but as money is no issue, I would pick from the top shelf and he Zeiss Victory mentioned would be my first pick base on my own expeience for the use you describe.
 
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Hell Kris,

as others have suggested, you're on the right track for grabbing wife of the year award :)

I too hunt with a 7mag and this past year upgraded from a vortex 2-7x33 to a conquest 3-9x40.  I had no issues with low light use over the past hunting season, and while the standard plex reticle may have been a little more difficult to pick up, the glass is clear as a bell.

If I had any gripe with the conquest, it would be the eye releif.  It's actually a bit too long for me and the rifle i have it setup on.  For reference, i'm about 5'10", 240 and the scope is mounted on a sako a7 with talley lightweights.  I actually bought a spacer to put between the stock and the recoil pad to back me off a little more and that helps.  At some point, i plan on upgrading once again to a swarovski, but unfortunately, money is an object for me :)

If money isn't an object, I'd follow the above suggestions about the 2.5-10x50 victory(http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Victory-Non-Illuminated-Diavari-Rifle-Scopes-C3031.aspx), or maybe a swarovski z3 in 3-10x42 (http://swfa.com/Swarovski-Z3-Riflescopes-C1808.aspx).

When you get ready to buy the scope, if you decide to order from the site that sponsors this forum, www.swfa.com, you can simply call them, tell them what rifle you want to mount the scope on and they'll help you with the mounts that would be appropriate, and anything else you might need.

Also, as a couple others have suggested, you will learn more than you want to know by spending a little time reading opticsthoughts.com (http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php/rifle-scopes), and the gentleman responsible for that site and the information there-in is a member here.
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Kris,
If money is truly not an issue, the Zeiss Victory 2.5-10X50 as per Seawolf's recommendation is an optically superior scope to the Conquest series, but that optical superiority comes at a steep $ premium. Since you said your husband requested a Conquest by name, I was under the assumption that's because he either prefers a 1" tube scope or doesn't want the Victory price tag. I mention this only because you need to know if he already has 1" rings, you'll need to get 30mm rings if you elect to step up to the Zeiss Victory, which has a 30mm main tube.
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You all received plenty of good advice here from people who have a lot of experience.

For the money your best bet is Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40:
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-3-9x40-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P5400.aspx

The best rounded Conquest scope is probably the 3.5-10x44.

If money is truly no object, I would be looking at a couple of additional scopes as well:

Swarovski Z3 3-10x40 for the best lightweight option:
http://swfa.com/Swarovski-3-10x42-Z3-Riflescope-P40816.aspx

Kahles KXi 3.5-10x50 for what is likely the best hunting scope out there with a 1" tube:
http://swfa.com/Kahles-35-10x50-Helia-KXi-Riflescope-P60695.aspx


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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

You all received plenty of good advice here from people who have a lot of experience.

For the money your best bet is Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40:
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-3-9x40-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P5400.aspx

The best rounded Conquest scope is probably the 3.5-10x44.

If money is truly no object, I would be looking at a couple of additional scopes as well:

Swarovski Z3 3-10x40 for the best lightweight option:
http://swfa.com/Swarovski-3-10x42-Z3-Riflescope-P40816.aspx

Kahles KXi 3.5-10x50 for what is likely the best hunting scope out there with a 1" tube:
http://swfa.com/Kahles-35-10x50-Helia-KXi-Riflescope-P60695.aspx


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I agree. I would NOT get this one.

Stock # - ZEI5214919920
Matte Z-Plex 1" Side Focus Hunting Turrets Etched Glass 2nd Plane Specifications
20.45
Weight (oz):
14.02
Length (in):
3.34
Eye Relief (in):
25.5 - 8.84
Field of View@ 100yds (ft):
10.8 - 3.6
Exit Pupil (mm):
1/4
MOA:
Multi-Coated
Lens Coating:
Lifetime Warranty:

I have this one it has been a disappointment from the start nothing really wrong but also nothing really right...just kinda there. I have it on a rifle that I never shoot(mark v .257 Wby) the rifle and scope look good but, thats about it conversation piece I guess.
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If he has already mentioned a Conquest I would pick one of these. My personal preference is to go with the more expensive 4.5-14  but I have both models and very much enjoy them.
Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 600 Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214609971
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 600
  • 1"
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
  • Was $569.95, SWFA sale price: $399.95
  • $299.95 after $100 Mail-in Rebate Expires 12/31/12
$399.95 
Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 800 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214309972
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 800
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
  • Was $899.95, SWFA sale price: $679.95
  • $579.95 after $100 Mail-in Rebate Expires 12/31/12
$679.95 
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Another thing he could probably get a lot of use out of is a small spotting scope with a light tripod.
Minox 16-30x50 Spotting Scope Minox 16-30x50 Spotting Scope
Stock # - 62226
  • Straight Body
  • Free Ever-Ready Nylon Case w/ Purchase
$299.00 
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Just in case you want some options I will mention a couple of my other favorite scopes, but I tend toward tactical scopes where one can dial in correction.  These are true tactical scopes
 
US Optics 1.8-10x44 SN-3 30mm Riflescope US Optics 1.8-10x44 SN-3 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - USOSN3I
  • Matte Black Type III hard Anodizing
  • Illuminated Mil-Scale GAP Reticle
  • 30mm
  • Low Profile - Rapid Focus Eyepiece
  • 11 Pos Rheostat (Red) Illumination
  • EREK 1/10 MIL Elevation Knob
  • US#3 M40 Style 1/10 MIL Windage Knob
  • ERGO Upgrade Parallax Control
$2,274.95 
SWFA SS HD 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS HD 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SSHD520X50MQ
  • Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm
  • HD Model
  • Locking Ocular Adjustment
  • 0.1 Mrad Elevation & Windage
  • 10 Mils Per Revolution
  • 30 Mils Of Total Travel
  • Side Focus
$1,299.95 
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I am also very fond of the tritium + fiber optic illumination in the Trijicon scopes.
Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope Red Triangle Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR23R
  • Matte
  • Red Triangle
  • 30mm
  • Free Sun Shade w/ Purchase
$1,082.95
Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR222G
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot
  • 30mm
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

You all received plenty of good advice here from people who have a lot of experience.

For the money your best bet is Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40:
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-3-9x40-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P5400.aspx

The best rounded Conquest scope is probably the 3.5-10x44.

If money is truly no object, I would be looking at a couple of additional scopes as well:

Swarovski Z3 3-10x40 for the best lightweight option:
http://swfa.com/Swarovski-3-10x42-Z3-Riflescope-P40816.aspx

Kahles KXi 3.5-10x50 for what is likely the best hunting scope out there with a 1" tube:
http://swfa.com/Kahles-35-10x50-Helia-KXi-Riflescope-P60695.aspx


ILya


The scopes he said are the best for your application.

The Swarovski is the scope that is really really hard to beat at the price point and is sure to get his attention...

The Kahles he suggested is the absolute creme dela creme.
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Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

You all received plenty of good advice here from people who have a lot of experience.

For the money your best bet is Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40:
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-3-9x40-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P5400.aspx

The best rounded Conquest scope is probably the 3.5-10x44.

If money is truly no object, I would be looking at a couple of additional scopes as well:

Swarovski Z3 3-10x40 for the best lightweight option:
http://swfa.com/Swarovski-3-10x42-Z3-Riflescope-P40816.aspx

Kahles KXi 3.5-10x50 for what is likely the best hunting scope out there with a 1" tube:
http://swfa.com/Kahles-35-10x50-Helia-KXi-Riflescope-P60695.aspx


ILya


I agree. I would NOT get this one.

Stock # - ZEI5214919920
Matte Z-Plex 1" Side Focus Hunting Turrets Etched Glass 2nd Plane Specifications
20.45
Weight (oz):
14.02
Length (in):
3.34
Eye Relief (in):
25.5 - 8.84
Field of View@ 100yds (ft):
10.8 - 3.6
Exit Pupil (mm):
1/4
MOA:
Multi-Coated
Lens Coating:
Lifetime Warranty:

I have this one it has been a disappointment from the start nothing really wrong but also nothing really right...just kinda there. I have it on a rifle that I never shoot(mark v .257 Wby) the rifle and scope look good but, thats about it conversation piece I guess.

The scope you are talking about has not been mentioned by anyone else in this thread.  While it is a very nice scope, it clearly does not suit you which has been suitably documented in a considerable number of threads.

Is there a particular reason you brought it up again?  Or are you just stirring the pot trying to get into argument (as usual)?

ILya
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Kris,

Unless your husband prefers to do some very esoteric hunting ultra long range or something along those lines) stick to moderately sized high quality hunting scopes, like the Swarovski, Kahles, Zeiss Conquest and a variety of others.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

You all received plenty of good advice here from people who have a lot of experience.

For the money your best bet is Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40:
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-3-9x40-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P5400.aspx

The best rounded Conquest scope is probably the 3.5-10x44.

If money is truly no object, I would be looking at a couple of additional scopes as well:

Swarovski Z3 3-10x40 for the best lightweight option:
http://swfa.com/Swarovski-3-10x42-Z3-Riflescope-P40816.aspx

Kahles KXi 3.5-10x50 for what is likely the best hunting scope out there with a 1" tube:
http://swfa.com/Kahles-35-10x50-Helia-KXi-Riflescope-P60695.aspx


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I agree. I would NOT get this one.

Stock # - ZEI5214919920
Matte Z-Plex 1" Side Focus Hunting Turrets Etched Glass 2nd Plane Specifications
20.45
Weight (oz):
14.02
Length (in):
3.34
Eye Relief (in):
25.5 - 8.84
Field of View@ 100yds (ft):
10.8 - 3.6
Exit Pupil (mm):
1/4
MOA:
Multi-Coated
Lens Coating:
Lifetime Warranty:

I have this one it has been a disappointment from the start nothing really wrong but also nothing really right...just kinda there. I have it on a rifle that I never shoot(mark v .257 Wby) the rifle and scope look good but, thats about it conversation piece I guess.


The scope you are talking about has not been mentioned by anyone else in this thread.  While it is a very nice scope, it clearly does not suit you which has been suitably documented in a considerable number of threads.

Is there a particular reason you brought it up again?  Or are you just stirring the pot trying to get into argument (as usual)?

ILya


To the contrary. Just an suggestion from experience. 4.5x14 was was mentioned before and since my post.
IMHO noticeably better choices for less, around the same, or slightly more $'s. Like a z3, vx3, other conquest's, etc.

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Many of you offer good advice for a general "what scope" question.
However, this post is not of that vane.
 
Kris' husband "has been wanting a zeiss conquest riflescope" and (Kris) "was able to find out that this is pretty much the only thing he wants."
 
Why on earth would she consider anything else???
 
Which Zeiss Conquest seems to be the ONLY question.
 
My vote 3x9v40
 
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It COULD be different in this case, but I've found that generally when people want a Zeiss Conquest, they REALLY want a Zeiss scope (quality), just don't figure they can afford the "top of the line".  Don't get me wrong, Conquest is a very good scope and fulfills the needs of many shooters quite well... I have one on my .458 Lott.  I mostly bought that because I was unsure of how well the scope would withstand the Lott's infamous recoil and did not want to destroy a higher dollar scope.  I am now comfortable that any GOOD fixed power scope will work on the Lott, at least on mine.   Fixed power is a totally different issue, though.   
 
I would shop the Samplelist for 2.5-10 Victory Diavari's (or shop for new, if you want to lay out the dollars... it's worth it)...  there are some simply fantastic deals there and you will definitely please the gift receiver.  My Conquest scope, I like a lot, but could divest myself of it and not be sorry... My Diavari (that my wife confiscated from me along with the rifle it is on), I would never part with.  It is a part of my collection for as long as I am on this earth.  To me, that is the difference in a Conquest and Diavari... the Conquest is a "probable keeper", the Diavari is an heirloom...
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Welcome to the OT, Kris! I cannot add anything as a suggestion for a scope for your hubby that has not already been recommended, I would however like to thank you for your service! Happy Holidays to You and Yours, And God Bless!
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Kris, thank you for your service. Your efforts help us have these free speech chats about the guns we own! And thanks Robbie for resetting my faith in man (us men, actually). I had to read lots of great info from lots of smart guys, but none caught the point Kris made about her husband's somewhat specific desire (beat me to the punch). I have a Zeiss Conquest 4.5x14x44 and absolutely love it. I also have a 3x9x50 and love it too. And I just ordered a 3x9x40 to save for my next deer rifle. If your shots are 600+ yards or less, the 3x9 is plenty and then some on magnification. It's lightweight and lets in plenty of daylight. No side focus to deal with and just a wonderfully clear glass for even 2x the price. A spotting scope can help decide the difference between a doe and a cull spike.
 
If one of his other toys is a 338 Lapua, check out the Super Sniper 5x20 above. My Savage loves it! Otherwise, keep it simple and give him what he's asked for. He'll love it. Take the $$ you save and come on a hunt in Texas. 
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