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    Posted: July/30/2010 at 00:28
Chris asked me to post this here, probably to get a feeling about what you think about it.
So please, any comments are highly appreiciated.

I have worked on this project for some time now and my intention have been to make the most well made, most tougthafter scopemount on the market.
There is a number of problems that I wanted to take care of and I belive that its has been done. Furthermore it's a System, not just a scope holder.

Visiable Knobs
I want the shooter bo be able to see his knobs from the shooting position without moving his head, more than necasarily.
Therefor the rings was slitted in 45 degress in order to not have the "screw ears" on the side or on the top. That also makes flat surfaces that gives the shooter a feeling if he is canting his gun.


The rotation of the scope is very important and always a hazzle when mounting the new scope/mounts.
So I put a 10 degree grove in the mount, and to that grove there is a 10 degree key included.



Various guns have various mounting possitiblitys and the best solution as I see it is to use integral dovetails if they are cut in the action.
Such as Sako TRG, AI , and those that has integral picatinnys.
I want to be keep the number of parts to a minimum, so no screws comes loose and the point of impact changes, therefor is the basic mount machined in one piece instead of a lot of small pieces.
I prefers direct mounting wherever that is possible, here is some examples.






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There is also a big need for assesories on to the mounts.
Such as secondary sights, lasers, illuminators etc
The use of secondary sights are very usefull not only for CQB but also very much for long range shooting, as it's very difficult to find the new target when having scope set at high mangification.








The needed cant is built in to the mount.
It's clearly engraved to the mount , in this case in both mils and moa.



Level.
There is a removable and easy changable level built in to the mount.
That way it's always there, and not forgotten, broken off or anything else.
Can easaly be seen by your left eye when you are in shooting position.
Its made out of plastic so when it's scratched and destroyed the shooter can easly change it him self to a new one, without removing scopemount or scope or loosing zero.



ACI
Angle Cousine Indicator
Instead of a fixed mounting of this, I decided to make a QD solution.
Here it can be seen both with and without the ACI



Cantilevers
A number of cantilever mounts are rigth now beeing machined, mainly for use on AR.




Repetability
To enhance the repetability I have limited the surface contact betwen the mount and the picatinny. Many rails are not straigt and sometimes there is chips and dings sticking out.
So here is current solution.


Here are some possible future solutions.



Material
Mount is machined out from 7075 T651 that has about 80% MORE tensile strength than 6061 and 6082. The finnish is a hard coated sealed finnish that is very durable.
All screws are stainless steel and blackend.

Each cap is mounted under 6 screws.

The rings comes with groves cut into them for gluing for those who prefers that, and for those whos not, the groves actually helps to hold the scope harder.
The rings are 1,25" long.


Price
Recomended retail price is 395 USD for mount.
Assesories are extra.

Håkan



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Here is a current model list.
 

Picatinny mounts



























Order Ring Heigt Height
Length Length


Numbers Size MM Inches Tilt MM Inches


SP-3601 30 30 1,2 6 mil/20 moa 126 4,96


SP-3001 30 30 1,2 0 126 4,96


SP-3615 30 37 1,5 6mil/20,6 moa 180 7,09 Cantilever mount for AR

SP-3015 30 37 1,5 o 180 7,09 Cantilever mount for AR











SP-4001 34 30 1,2 0 121 4,76


SP-4601 34 30 1,2 6mils/20,6 21 0,83


SP-4002 34 37 1,5 0 121 4,76


SP-4602 34 37 1,5 6mil/20moa 121 4,76


SP-4603 34 37 1,5 6mil/20moa 136 5,35


SP-4802 34 37 1,5 13mil/44,4 121 4,76


SP-4015 34 37 1,5 0 180 7,09 canitlever mount for AR

SP-4615 34 37 1,5 6mil/20,6 180 7,09 canitlever mount for AR

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looks very nice But dang what a price tag!

Edited by SVT_Tactical - July/30/2010 at 06:22
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Positive:Looks great & finish is excellent,like the stronger Aluminum,the angle cut on the rings,dove tail base & the built in level.

Negatives:Star screws[I'd prefer allen dish]
 
1 question: I always lap my rings for a consistant fit on all my guns & rifles,so how will that affect the fit of you internal threaded design?
 
One last note,I agree with Graham about the price.Over all looks very appealing,good luck with it.
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Håkan,

 
What a beautiful well conceived and executed product.  Up until now we had state of the art rifles, stocks and scopes but no mounts to compliment them.
 
Your mount is pricey by comparison to other mounts but there really is no mount that compairs to it, so it is all relative.  A Badger set up (rings and bases) would set you back $375.  If I spent $4k on a rifle and $3k on a scope I would not hesitate to drop $395. for this mount.  I understand that your target market is not Joe Hunter looking to mount his Leupold for deer season.
 
Just trying to put it all in perspective to those having sticker shock.
 
Can't wait to get some on order and check them out in person.
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Thanks Chris, didn't really compare it to what its gonna compete with.  Look foward for "YOU" to do a review on this one and let us know how it works.  If it passes your standards then it will be something to look at.Wink



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I agree 100% with you CF,it is the state of the art.A system is only as good as it's weakest link.I was asked for an opion & that's what was given & it really was only a matter of taste concerning the type of screws.Having had a few years as a tool & die maker,I can really appreciate the work & thought that went into producing that system.
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Thanks for letting us be the first to see this product!
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I tried a long time to stay away from Torx.
But I had to leave the allen head solution as the tolerances are to big and some of those screws (smaller dimensions) cant take the use.
So for me is Torx just a matter of qualtiy.
However if you like, I can on special order deliver it with Allen head (METRIC)

I have never targeted the "Joe Average Hunter" Market.
He is used to go to his local gunstore, buy a Remington 700 SPS in .30-06 a Burris 3-9X and get the rings for free............
I cant compete with that, and I am honestly not interested either.

My intention is to make the best, most versalite mount so far produced and make it for the LE/MIL market and for their special needs.
That is why only the best materials are used, everything is machined with as few pieces as possible, extrusions are not used .
That way discriminating individuals will also know that if this is good enogh for SF use, it's likely good enough for them to.

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Thank you for answering my question so quickly,right off the bat it shows very good customer satisfaction, a big plus today.I have no problem with torx only cheap torx that strip & you have addressed that problem!I do have a Remington 700 SS 5r milspec that is calling out for ring system like yours. Looking forward to the final product & availability.Good luck
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Thank You It is a Wonderful Mount and considering the exceptional quality and precision of the tooling it is quite reasonably priced. I really like it and appreciate your hard work.
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Obviously much thought has gone into the design and machining. I'd seriously consider one if I were in the market for a new mount, especially one that can accomodate accessories like this. Nice work Håkan.
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As far as sticker shock Sako TRG 3 ring mount runs $560, Looking forward to trying one also, really like the 45 angle set up.

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I can possibly see myself buying this mount in the future, price is fair I think...I especially like this spot on the mount to set up a small red dot sight, and other picatinny options as well. Cantilever mounts and a replacable built in level... What a great piece of equipment!!! I cannot wat to see the finished product and or options that may go with it.....I hope its verstile in that one can use 1" or 30mm scopes all in the same mount.....Either way, Great Work!Thunbs Up
 
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We don't intend to make 1" mounts unless there is a big interest for it.

We havent made any seriesproduction of spacers for 1" scopes to 30mm either, but that is just because one of the main features with the mount is the slimness around the scope.
And if spacers are used, there is bulk added.......
However for those who wants to use the mount with a 1" scope, the spacersolution if of course better than no solution at all, so that is probably best choise as long as proper 1" not are made.
 
I have so far got very little interest for 1", I have actually got far higher interest for 35mm (no we don't make 35mm yet either.
 
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Håkan

I see no mention of a location key for use in the cross slot of picatinny rails.
I did notice that there is a pocket in the bottom of the mount for such a key to be inserted.
Will such a key be an option or standard issue with your mount?

The 10 deg key for scope reticle orientation is a stroke of genius. Excellent

I can see this mount in the 1.2 height in my future on top of my LMT CQB MRP monolithic rail and / or on top of my Sig Sauer 556. Neither has any fixed sights, thus I can get a better cheek weld.

One fine looking piece of machine work there, and also a well thought out solution for mounting optics on tactical weapons.

When are they going to available to the US market?


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The 10degree key is included in the mount, that is no extra.
 
The production of the second run is finnished within a week or two and then they are availible.
 
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What about the key that goes in the slot at the bottom of the mount. It it also included?
Used for locating the mount on a  Picatinny rail when installing / reinstalling the mount.




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