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In a recent thread mwyates was raving about the optical quality of Nikon Premier SE 8x32 porro binocular.  As a long time fan of porro design I was particularly happy to hear that.   I've had a bunch of binoculars over the last few years.  I can't keep the m all, so I am a regular on Ebay buying and selling a few here and there.  I have come to really prefer porro designs.

 

Now, all you, porro binocular owners.

 

What do you have?  What do you want to have?

 

The binoculars I have right now are three different IORs: two 7x40 (one with reticle and one without), and a 10x50.

 

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I've got the Premier SE's, Bushnell Custom Compact 6X25 that are about 30 years old and amazing (wish they still made these), an old pair of Swift Audubons 8X36 that have a beautiful image but are so loose they won't stay focused anymore.  I bought a pair of Bushnell Custom Compact 7X26 a while back, but they just weren't up to the old ones, so they are gone.

 

I'd like a pair of 7X40's, maybe the IOR's or Fujinon.  Swaro makes a 7X42 that's probably pretty good.

 

 

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As I mentioned I am very satisfied with my pair of 7x35 Action EXs. Their exceptionally wide field (9.3 degrees) of view makes them so natural to look through. Center of field resolution is as good as or better than mid-priced roofs and the image appears exceptionally bright due to, IMHO, the wide field of view and 7x magnification. Depth of field is very good but not the best 7x porros I have looked through. There is noticeable distortion in the outer 1/3rd of the image.

 

In terms of ergonomics they are more blocky in style than something like the SEs though I would say they are about the same size and fit my hands quite well (large). Weight is a bit much at 28 ounces but not excessive as this is comparable to many top of the line roof prism models. Focusing is fairly decent but as I have found with many porros it is stiff in colder weather and smooth in warmer weather. These bins are listed as waterproof and nitrogen purged.

 

Durability is excellent. I have since dropped them twice..one from 3 feet and another from 15. No apparent external damage and no optical alignment issues.

 

For $130 I think they are one of the best bargains out there.

 

I have also owned the 8x32 SE and 8x30 EII as well.

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I bought two pairs of Swift Audubons one pair for my dad the ED pair for myself.  I did it mainly on recomendations of the people here. 

 

Also I picked up a pair of Bausch & Lomb Discoverers (close out) also on the recomendation of the experts here for my father in law.

 

I have nothing but great praise for both sets of binoculars.

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I've got the Nikon SE 8x32 (for general use and hiking)  and SE 10x42 (for raptors- and wildfowl-watching).

The "non plus ultras" for me, that I' ve got an IPD of 62 mm!

Greetings.

 

Alessandro.

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Maybe people are misreading this; it's the Porro club, not the Porno club
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I have a 10x42 B&L Discoverer that has become my favorite full size binocular.

 

I also have a 10x26 Bushnell Legend that is also one of my favorites. The only negative I can think of about this binocular is that it just isn't quite small enough for convenient/comfortable pocket carry.

 

These in fact, are the only two binoculars I own that I would be hesitant to sell or trade away.  I would dispose of my various roofs without any qualms at all.

 

 

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I'm a porro fan--better value and a better picture.  Having said that, I've got a different binocular for every scenario--they're all just so many tools in the tool box.

Last fall I picked up a pair of the Bausch & Lomb 10x42 Discoverers that Cabela's was closing out.  I now use them almost to the exclusion of all other binoculars for general purpose recreation.  Birding, scanning the horizon from the car, watching the heavens, etc.  I've even begun using them on hunts in place of my Kahles 8x42's if I'm not anticipating doing a lot of walking.

The Discoverers have displaced my Swift Audubon 8.5x44 as my primary birding glass.  Side by side use proved that the extra magnification outweighed the Swift's field of view edge--the Discoverer's are no slouch in that area either.

My primary pocket porro (or as close as you get to such a thing) are my Bushnell Legend 8x26's.  Great picture in a handy package with all the bells and whistles that come with the Legends (and the Discoverers for that matter).

At the door to my deck, I keep a pair of Minolta Activa 7x35 porros hanging on a peg.  They lack twist up eye cups, but the rubber eye cups have held their place well for me and the color rendition is great.  The eye relief is generous ( a real concern for me since I wear spectacles all the time) and the focus is fast.  Coupled with a 9 degree field of view, they're a fabulous backyard binocular.

At the side door heading out to the woods, I keep a pair of Nikon Action Extreme 8x40's hanging in wait.  My wife thought I was nuts to have so many pairs of binoculars hanging on walls, but, if you're like me, there's nothing more frustrating than having to scurry for binocs while whatever critter you were interested in seeing trots away.

For serious star-gazing without a scope, I haul out my 12x50 Activas.  I find them steady and quick focusing with minimal color fringing or glare.

For indoor events like concerts and athletic events, I use a pair of 5x25 Bushnell Xtrawides.  The obvious reason is the wide field of view, but the fully multi-coated lenses and bak4 prisms also have an incredibly deep depth of field.  Very little focusing is required to keep your subject crisp.  Concerts and games move so fast that you don't want to be distracted with lots of focusing.  The five power is just enough that you're watching the action instead of counting freckles.

I equipped the Discoverer's and the Action Extremes with Butler Creek flip up lens covers.  The Activa's and the Audubons got E*a*gle O*ptics tethered covers.  With those in place and  E*a*gle O*ptics great rainguard covering the ocular lenses, the binoculars are always ready to go and well contained from dust.

The critical thing with porros is to make sure you've got a comfortable neck strap.  I've tried 'em all but have found two manufacturers to be better than the others for my needs.  The Bushnells, the Swfit, and the Action Extreme all carry ProMaster camera straps and the 7x35 Activa and the Discoverers both wear  E*a*gle O*ptics Neoprene Binocular Strap.  I've used Uncle Mikes, I've tried private label straps, over the years I've even tried telephone cords...  Nothing matches the comfort of the  E*a*gle O*ptics Neoprene and the straps wear well over the years.

The nice thing about my collection is the cost.

I got the Discoverers for under $200 last fall.
The little Legends cost $85.
The 7x35 Activas were an eBay purchase for less than $60.
The 12x50 Activas likewise came from eBay for $75.
The Action Extremes came from Dicks Sporting Goods for under $150.
The Xtrawides were $80 new three years ago.

And I use those six porro binocs much more often than I use my Kahles or Leupold roofs.  Which isn't to say that I'm in the market to sell my roofs.  They've got their time and place (wet hunts, longer hikes, outdoor sporting events, etc).

It's just that the older I get, the more I'm willing to tolerate a few extra ounces in my kit in exchange for the precision and clarity of a porro.

Just my two cents...


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Fujinon 8X30 FMTR-SX.  A little heavy (25 oz), Individual Focus, built like a tank, and a great view.

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I am almost extensivle using porros.

For night hunting and twilight I switches betwen Zeiss 7x50B Marine and Zeiss DF8x60 (Porro 2)

For Day hunting or hiking its often Zeiss 6x30 or Swarovski 7x42.

 

All those are actually ex. military glasses, and all of them are okular adjusted.

 

I use only german and austrian glasses, and normally can a best quality german binocular be bought sexond hand for about the same price and many new produced Asian stuff.

And when buying military glasses they are almost always with individual focus wish fits me much better and are much faster than the clumsyer centerfocus.

 

Zeiss 7x50B.

Zeiss DF 8x60 Porro 2. Porro 2 is a development from Porro and have better ligth transmission, but due to the effectiveness of modern coatings porro 2 is today only used in big observationbinoculars.

The Field of view is 160 meters, compered to the aprox 130 from the 7x50..............

 

 

And the Swarovski 7x42.

 

Regards Technika

 

 

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What's the difference between porro and porro 2?

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A porro binocular has two prisms in each side.

A porro 2 have the two prisms cemented together to one piece in order to loss less light.

An uncoated lens is loosing approx 4% light troguh reflection per surface, so the gain is near 8%.

With the best coatings today the loss is reduced to .25-.50% per surface. So there is not so much gained anymore.

 

There is actually one construction that is slightly better and that is the Porro2 of H construktion,

Those have also the field lens cemented togehter with the prisms but those binoculars are very scarce and not cheap at all.

Here is a cuople of Porro2 with H construction from my collection.

 

 

Regards Technika

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Originally posted by corax corax wrote:

I've got the Nikon SE 8x32 (for general use and hiking)  and SE 10x42 (for raptors- and wildfowl-watching).

The "non plus ultras" for me, that I' ve got an IPD of 62 mm!

Greetings.

 

Alessandro.

Welcome to the OT Alessandro

I just got my first Porros Koshkin the nighthunter xp's they are pretty nice and I also bought the fujinons you recommended I am going to try them both for a while and see which one I like or maybee keep both. I got the Fujinons at a great price, I should recieve them in about a week.

 

Great info Technika.

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It will be interesting to see what you think.  Post your impressions when you get a chance.

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I shure will Koshkin, give me about two to three weeks.
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My favorite overall porro prisms are my Orion MEGAView 30x80 for stargazing, and my Barska X-Trail 30x80 for birding. I always keep them mounted on a Manfrotto 3246 tripod w/501 or 503 video two-way heads.

Next is my Pentax PCF WP II 20x60, or Pentax 16x60 PCF WP, depending upon distance.

I had been searching the internet for a really 'good' price on a Pentax PCF WP 16x60 (discontinued model). The LORD works in mysterious ways. I received a $10 off coupon in the mail from Sportsman's Warehouse(I never shop there). As a last straw, I called them & they had exactly what I wanted. They were having a Fall Red Tag Sale & with my coupon I saved approx. $91. Last night I tried them out for astronomy & today I used them for bird watching. I was very impressed with the brightness, clarity & sharpness.  

As I get older my eyes appreciate MORE light gathering capability & MORE magnification. Yes, I DO handhold my Pentax 16x60's & my 20x60's. However, I prefer to do it from a comfortable sitting position, and, I also use a Manfrotto self-standing monopod when standing.
 
As for my wish list: Nikon 18x70 Astroluxe & Nikon 7x50 ProStar or Zeiss 15x60 B/GA.
 
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:



As I get older my eyes appreciate MORE light gathering capability & MORE magnification. Yes, I DO handhold my Pentax 16x60's & my 20x60's. However, I prefer it if I can brace myself against a wall or a tree or a boulder. Generally I just use my Manfrotto self standing 682B monopod. Sometimes I lay flat on my back to look up 90 degrees. (also good for Siesta)



You probably have the steadiest hands in known universe.

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Twenty five years of shooting rifles, shotguns, revolvers & semi-auto pistols + fifteen years of amateur 35mm photography with telephoto lenses, up to 500mm, helps a person learn how to concentrate & focus, I suppose. The hands are connected to a healthy body, a gift from the LORD.
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I agree with birdwathcer, I have som eold Zeiss 15x60 and 18x50 that I handheld.

But there is a small trick.

Put the hands on the binocular as long forward as possible and force in back "into" your head, and this way you optain a 3 point hold for the binocular.

Works very much the same as handheld 30X spyglasses, they can be handheld because your forward hand is so long forward.

 

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I use the binoculars mainly for hunting in low light conditions, including at night for wild boars.

I had a Zeiss Jena 8x32, but the Zeiss 8x56 of my father in law was brighter. A hunting web forum member recommended me Minolta Activa II WPFP 7x50, he said me that this inexpensive binocular was brighter than his swaroski and also than zeiss 8x56 from his hunter guys ... (brighter at night, not better), I could not believe him, but after lots of posts I purchased one of them because of the low price and I was very surprised, this Minolta 7x50 are indeed equals than the Zeiss 8x56 or slightly better testing both at nights without moon, with a quarter, with a half, full moon ... near, far away, fantastic and incredible! and only for the 10% of the price!

I have recommended this binoculars in our hunting forums ... many hunters have purchased it and all of them are also very pleasent and surprised. At this moment this binoculars cannot be found, Minolta does not make it any more and we cannot find stock neither webs nor real stores.
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Minolta was joined with Konica (Konica/Minolta), however, they have been out of business.

Minolta Activa 7x50's are also well known & loved in Europe, by astronomy buffs.

The only thing that I know of, off the top of my head, in that ballpark would be the Fujinon 7x50 FMT-SX & 7x50 FMTR-SX. Much more expensive than the Minolta's & much heavier. (over 3 lbs.)

They are extremely bright & built by Fujinon for Astronomy/Marine/Nautical applications.

If your purpose in mentioning the Minolta Activa 7x50's is ALSO to find a source for this product, then go on-line to www.cloudynights.com & post your request.

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Is this it?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00009XV22/ref=olp_ta b_new/104-7462349-8555951?ie=UTF8&condition=new
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That certainly looks pretty close, although it omits the II model designation. I'm sure it will put him right in the "ballpark".

Nice find!!!!!
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