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I  have a new model 700 Remington in 270 cal. and I  don't know the trigger pull on it and was wondering  what I need it set at for deer hunting .I am very safe with any gun.I WONDERING  WHAT PULL WEIGHT REMINGTON SET THEIR TRIGGERS AT IN THE FACTORY/cb
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Put a pull guage on it and measure it.   If it were me, I would look for 2-1/2 to 3lbs.     This is me now, I dont know how you hunt.   Your Remmy should be arround this from the factory.
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Don't worry about the weight of the pull.  Things like smoothness of the pull and release are much more important.  Concentration on the sights and target also help wipe out a lot of trigger issues. 
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Remington sets their trigger pull weights rather heavy (especially hunting rifles) for liability reasons. If you adjust it or mess with it in any way and send it back to Remington for any reason, they will replace the trigger and charge you for it. They can be adjusted if you know what your doing, but you are assuming the liability.
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Hey...countryboy....does your new rem have the x-mark pro trigger??? it should anyway...these come from the factory in the 4.5-5# range. The best feel for these triggers in my opinion is right at 3.75 and is incredibly safe. Due to the saftey mechanics of this trigger you cant really adjust anything other than pull weight. Too light and you will feel creep real easily, so I would have a gunsmith put it there and you should be real happy with it.
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Your trigger (whether X-Mark or the previous generation) can safely be adjusted down to about 2 lbs, but 2.5 - 3 lbs is a good, safe minimum for a big game rifle used in moderate weather.  For colder weather where you'd be wearing heavy gloves all the time or for a dangerous game rifle, I would set it 1 - 2 lb heavier.
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I took my 40X trigger down to 1.5 just to see what it would be like at the range, but that was too scary for field use. I found that 2.5 lbs. works well.
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Those 40X's can be adjusted very light. If you want to feel light, try a 40X 2 ounce trigger option. I had one on a 6mm 40X and it took me quite a while to get used to it. It was strickly a paper gun.
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i set my m700 to 3lbs once, that was scary enough for a hunting rifle. 4lbs made me feel much better.
my dad has a high wall winchester in a .219 ai with a double set trigger and like roy said ounces are way scary. when you push the back trigger forward, you would swear just breathing would touch it off.
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pyro, that rifle had Remington's Custom Shop 2 oz trigger option and I think you could adjust it all the way up to a half pound. I hope I did not give the impression that any field rifle should be equipped with a trigger like that. Besides, it did not even have a safety. For my hunting rigs, I like something in the 2.5-3lb range. I'm not saying that everyone would be comfortable with that either, so in the end only the individual knows what he/she will be most comfortable with.

Add: the 2 ounce option is only available on 40X rifles.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

pyro, that rifle had Remington's Custom Shop 2 oz trigger option and I think you could adjust it all the way up to a half pound. I hope I did not give the impression that any field rifle should be equipped with a trigger like that. Besides, it did not even have a safety. For my hunting rigs, I like something in the 2.5-3lb range. I'm not saying that everyone would be comfortable with that either, so in the end only the individual knows what he/she will be most comfortable with.


Winkno no roy i follow you, i was just in agreement with your advice. that .219AI is a bench gun also. if i didnt hunt in places where its cold i could easily see myself dropping to 2.5lbs. i totally agree with you.
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I've had my remmy set as low as 2.5 lbs but prefer 3 lbs for hunting.
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Something between 6 and 12 lb sounds about right...
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2 ounce sounds about right for the Lott............
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Ooops...  always forget those decimals.
 
.6 and 1.2
 
 
just kidding...
I do think the Lott comes from the factory set at 6lb... I've not tested it.  Most of my hunting rifles are between 4 and 5 lb.  I've thought a number of times about lowering the pull weight on the Etronx to about 1.5lb, but it shoots so well at the factory setting, I am not sure a lighter pull would improve it...perhaps.  My 7mmSTW is set at 1.5lb, but I have not hunted with it since the trigger job. 
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

2 ounce sounds about right for the Lott............


could you imagine handing that to a buddy and say have at er. the look on his face after would be priceless!
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The qaulity of trigger pull is way more important than pull weight. If the trigger doesnt break right, you will subconsciously anticipate sear release, the same goes for creep. If you can feel it, you will anticipate it & it will effect accuracy......
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Don't worry about the weight of the pull.  Things like smoothness of the pull and release are much more important.  Concentration on the sights and target also help wipe out a lot of trigger issues. 
4+ on Silver's recommendation.  Unless the trigger has an extremely unusually high weight of pull, which on a Remington or any other good quality rifle, those qualities that Silver suggested is far more important than the exact weight of pull. 
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Actually, they pretty much all work together.  However, too heavy a pull weight can translate into inadvertant longitudinal and/or transverse force imparted to the rifle, especially with less experienced shooters.  Lighter pull weight reduces the probablilty of those adverse forces.  The affects of pull weight can have negative effects on accuracy.  It is specious to imply pull weight is of not of significance and can be ignored.  
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My Dad once told me, trigger control is important but weapon control is even more. Sometimes, to light a trigger controls the shooter and not the other way around. I believe a shooter needs to work on overall control of his set up before polishing out any little imperfections in the trigger group. If you can get 1 MOA with a 5lb trigger you might not need a 2 oz trigger.  I have shot a friends .270 Merkel  with a two stage trigger 3.5lbs and 3oz. respectively.  I held sub MOA groups with both set ups.  I really didn't like the 3oz trigger, once you pushed that trigger forward I felt anything would set that rifle off. OK on a bench I guess but 1.25 to 1.5lbs is light enough for me. 
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Actually, they pretty much all work together.  However, too heavy a pull weight can translate into inadvertant longitudinal and/or transverse force imparted to the rifle, especially with less experienced shooters.  Lighter pull weight reduces the probablilty of those adverse forces.  The affects of pull weight can have negative effects on accuracy.  It is specious to imply pull weight is of not of significance and can be ignored.  
 
To a small point, maybe.  After a while you shoot matches where the trigger weight is set by match rules.  Thus the weight is the minimum or higher.  Then we see that it is the quality of the trigger not the weight that matters.  A bad#5 tigger verses a good #6 trigger becomes a great lesson.  There are lots of "lawyer triggers", but if it is smooth you can work with it.
 
  If you are moving the mass of a rifle with the pulling of the trigger you are doing something wrong to begin with.  It happens with a hand gun because the trigger pull is often  twice to five times that of the gun.  That is why learning the handgun is all about grip and learning to master the trigger.
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My wife is a very good shooter, she has made more than one man refuse to go to the range with us after shooting against her once.  My Voere has double set triggers... without the trigger "set" the pull is 6lb, with it set pull is 8oz.  Her groups are above MOA without setting the trigger, but with it set, she shoots to the capability of the rifle's advertised accuracy .5MOA.  That is only one anecdotal instance, but I have seen it repeated many times with other shooters.  It does not take much movement to affect precision.  
I don't have any disagreements with anything said except the part about trigger pull weight being insignificant.  If you are shooting those types of matches, you are not an inexperienced or out of practice shooter... however, many bench shooter use triggers set in 1to 1.5lb range.  I don't have any problems with my Ruger#1's at 6lb, but like my 7mmSTW at 1.5. The Voere is pleasant to shoot with the .5lb set.  I guess, just like most aspects of shooting, it depends on the shooter.  
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Kentucky rifles often had "set" triggers, with a pull of only a few ounces.  It seemed to work just fine on the British and hostile Indians. 
 
My .40 caliber Kentucky has a set trigger, and I find it very easy to shoot well.  Interestingly, this rifle shot better groups than one of the more accurate civil war rifle reproductions when we did some side-by-side comparison shooting at the range.
 
Getting and fine-tuning an accurate firearm is just part of the equation.   Accuracy and trigger control lie largely in the hands of the shooter.  You can't buy skill.  You have to learn it and earn it. 
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I like mine in the area of 2.5-3 lbs.  Smile
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