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I haven't heard a peep from anybody who may have bought this new mil-dot 6x-24x 30MM tubed Elite. (vs the older 1" tube version) The 30mm version has been available for a little over a month now.

 

I'm especially interested to know if there's any noticeable improvement with it over the 1" 6x-24x Bushnell Elite Mil-dot with perhaps slightly brighter or clearer optics.  Other then the 30mm scope comes with a sun shade and high target knobs, and the 1" doesn't,  I'm more interested in paying the extra money for enhanced optics.  

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heres just one of the threads about it.........check the tactical scopes forum on here for more.

 

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6594&PN=1

 

http://savageshooters.baker-media.com/SavageForum/index.php/ topic,5300.0.html - heres another....I'm a member on that site. They just changed everything so I'm not sure how it all works now, whether you can see it or not. I think you can still sign up and check everything out for free for I think 15 posts......... not sure though

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Thanks for the input.

 

 I checked out that first thread link. I wasn't too crazy about reading that the Elite is good up to about 18 power for  good clarity. I'm hoping that perhaps he was simply saying that this is as good as any scope in this $600 price range is going to get, without stepping up to a Night Force or other premium name for over $1,000 

 

But, at  this point I'm inclined to wait for the release of the Nikon 6x-24x SF 30mm Monarch Scope due in the coming month or less, before I make my final choice..

 

If I can go by what I've read other guys post here about Nikon glass compared to Bushnell Elite glass in this $600 scope price range, I'm thinking that they will be about the same. If I recall, some folks have even given the slight edge to the Bushnell Elite glass. The advantage of the Nikon is it's name!  ......frankly, I'd rather see a "Nikon" name locked onto my fancy rifle instead of a scope with the name "Bushnell". That is not a major deciding factor for me, but never the less COULD make a difference if the both scopes will be close in glass quality. 

 

HOWEVER......I've got a feeling that the Bushnell Elite mil-dot reticle is going to be hard to beat! I've got a Bushnell mil-dot 6x-24x 1" tubed Elite SF scope now, and am very pleased with the reticle sharpness. It seems that a lot of reticles are too darn thick for real precision paper shooting. I like to shoot paper at 100 yards. (100 yards is as far as my local range goes.)But, I intend to do 500 yard PD shooting eventually, and 've been warned by some guys that the mil-dots on some scopes at long distances can be too large for small targets like Prarie dogs. That I can tell, my Elite mil-dot reticle looks like it ought to work well enough. I've only used the Elite Mil-dot reticle at the 100 yard range so far, but that I can tell from aiming it on distant targets (like acorns on tree branches) it is still a finer sized reticle then what other scope manufacturers offer. I'm affraid the new Nikon Monarch scope might have a thicker and clumsier mil-dot reticle. Yes, I know that I could always change out the reticle, but there would be no sense in paying $100 or more for somebody to change out the reticle for me on a brand new $600 scope.

 

 I guess I'll wait and see a few weeks from now what folks have to say when they start buying the Nikons. 



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I cant really comment on the dots being big or not on small targets at longer ranges......I only as of now have access to about 550yards. I dont like to use the dots for holdover, I use them to find ranges (sometimes i forget my rangefinder lol)

 

These dots arent too big though, so you might be able to use them for PD's out at 500.

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Why would you be putting a dot on the prairie dog?  Mil dots are for ranging - and for hold-overs when needed, though for prairie dogs, why? Dot size shouldn't influence prairie dog hunting at all - otehr than the ranging part.

 

Having owned both the Nikon and the Bushnell, get the Bushnell.

 

And, owning a Nightforce and being a huge fan, I can say that the glass isn't as good.  At 24x, the Bushnell is usable, but it ain't like looking through a Nightforce at 10x - though few if any 24x scopes would be.

 

 

It is worth the money, the reticle is better (smaller lines), the glass is better, the knobs are better; it is a better scope.  Some here love nikon, not me.  having owned both, the Nikon went back, the Bushnell remains.

 

 

or, cowboy up, save a few hundred more, and buy the Nightforce or IOR or Zeiss, or (really save and) buy the S&B. Once you've shot really good glass, lesser stuff ain't so great.

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Wow....Rancid that was some very encouraging testimoney to make the case for the new Bushnell! Like I said.... I thought I kept hearing that the Elite is generally a better scope when compared to just about anything else in it's price range (and even other scopes priced somewhat higher, like the $900 Leupolds for example.)  I guess you just reinforced that.

 

You guys are right to correct me that the size of the dot in the Elite's mil-dot reticle shouldn't have much bearing on PD shooting, unless, the dot just happens to fall perfectly situated over the dog at 600 yards. This is what happens when I don't have actual experience using the scope in long range shooting, and I have to try to visualize how it is to be used. Perhaps a scope with a dot in the center would prove more of a  problem. But, this mil-dot reticle doesn't have a dot in its center.

 

About the only other thing that I haven't previously mentioned about this new Elite 30mm scope that I don't much care for is that it has 1/4" MOA clicks, instead of 1/8 clicks. (my 1" SF 6x-24x Elite has 1/8" clicks) But, I suppose I'll still  be happy with my .40" sized groups whether they are 1/8 of an inch more to the left or to the right of the bull. Though I will prefer to use hold over for hunting PD's, I doubt the 1/8" difference will spoil the hunt.

 

Thanks for the input.

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centerfire, as someone who shoots PD's frequently, I happen to think large dots ARE a HUGE disadvantage for PD shooting at long range.  Once I establish the holdover, if the aimpoint happens to be directly on one of the dots, it doesn't take much distance such that a large dot can completely obscure a PD head poking out of a mound if that's the only shot you have.  For a PD reticle, I have found that the thinnest possible lines/dots are always better.  That's why I love the super thin SFP reticles Nightforce offers, but NF cost more than twice that of the Bushnell.  Depending on the situation and the average shot distances, large dots may be a non-issue, though.  Since I've never seen Bushnell's rendition of the mil dot, and therefore don't know how the dot size compares to other mil dots, it may be a non-issue anyway.

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Rifledude,

As far as you describing how the mil-dots can obscure small targets in the distance....that's why I think that the Bushnell Elite mil-dot reticle is probably one of the better mil-dots out there. But then again, I haven't had a chance to compare it with others. I'm just relying what other guys tell me that the other  mil-dot reticles are usually too bold.

If you have a moment, click on that first hyper link provided in the 2nd post by gconnoyer. Go to the 2nd page in that thread and you will see a fairly good image of how the Elite mil-dot reticle looks. (gconnoyer took a photo through the scope.) This is what I currently have in my 1" Elite. It is the same one that comes in the 30mm Elite scope. Though I have not had a chance to compare it to the mil-dot reticles in the other brand scopes, I am under the impression that it is one of the thinner and more useable mil-dot reticles.....and can be used well enough for long distance PD shooting.

Do you agree it looks good?  .....perhaps good enough for long distance PD shooting?

 

 

ARMYEOD:

Ok, I can accept that you say you're "cheap"..... but what is an "SS" ?? Geees....not a Simmons I hope?

 

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I wanted to post this last night, but couldn't. I had to copy and save what I had written into Word, and save it until this morning when I was allowed to post onto this thread. It seems on a rare moon I cannot post in these forums....a page pops up and tells me something about not having the proper IP address, or that am not authorized to post. Usually, if I wait until the next day, (like today, this morning) the problem disappears by itself and I can participate once again. What's that all about? The first time it happened some weeks back, I thought I posted something disagreeable and was thrown out of the websight. When it happens, I have no way to contact you either. Most frustrating. 



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I'm going with the Bushnell....just need CINCHOUSE approval.....maybe Christmas if I'm lucky
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