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Now that I have bought and paid for the scope and recieved it (finally)!!! I promised you guys an evaluation of the scope as well as the other articles I bought. So here is the first installment

RIECIVING UNPACKING AND MOUNTING THE M-1000.

It arrived three days late so I was like a kid on Christmas, aticipation you know. I was Immedidatly disapointed to read the words MADE IN CHINA on the box. I was thinking "maybe it's the wrong scope" No such luck. Setting it to the .338 win mag trajectory was a pain in the ass because the destructions were as clear as mud, but I finally got that set. In addition to the main trajectory settings there is a way to tailor it to a specific load within certain paramiters. The reticle was surprisingly clear and while all of the adjustments were stiff they all worked well. I suspect after a month or so of load development with the 225 gr Hornady and the 285 grain match bullets it will slick up enough to use without problems. Next step was mounting the scope.

 I waited till Leatherwood was open and expressed my dissatisfaction with their advertizing shenannigans is all they had to say was "it was developed by an American soldier/sniper and originally made in the USA and it is still the best killing scope for the money you can buy" They did however say that over 50% of their service calls were from dissatisfied folks who thought they were supporting an American company to find out after they got the scope the were instead supporting Chinas industry here. I mention it here because I was very disapointed myself. It's sorta like buying a vintage antique violin just to find out it was nothing but a student violin made in China.

MOUNTING THE SCOPE


First I removed the old scope leaving nothing but the bases attached to the rifle. The system works like a  rail system on the M-4 Mounting it on the bases was a snap till I started sighting through it.
Problem 1) depending on where your bases are mounted you may or may not get enough eye relief. In my case I had to chicken neck up the stock and off the cheek pad to see the reticle clearly.
the solutions are obvious shorten the stock or try to move back even further on the bases. Since my stock is a bit long for me between the pistol grip and the factory recoil pad I will shorten the stock till my eye can read the scope.
Problem 2) The height of the M-1000 is much greater than a regular scope mounted in a "ring&base system" Thus it is almost impossible to establish an exact "cheek weld"
 as the rifles cheek piece is too low now to obtain a good cheek weld  so now the only way I  can fix that particular problem is a foam rubber and tape wrap around. If there is any other option please let me know ( short of replacing the stock)

The overall system may work like a dream the problem here is that the centerlines (lengthwise down the stock) are no longer in an optimum position due to the scope having a plate on the bottom. Where center to center with a normal scope is 1.5 " above line of sight it is now closer to2.5 anyway possibly even more. Any IDEAS??








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Cheek weld is able to be addressed with a Karsten cheek piece. Eye relief could be addressed with a picatinney or Weaver style rail( I am not sure what the mount on that scope uses). I would suggest a certain one, but I don't know what the scope is mounted on.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention I have a monte carlo cheek peice. I can't drill it
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I wonder if there is an option w/o having to drill holes in a AAA stock?
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Originally posted by preacherman preacherman wrote:

Now that I have bought and paid for the scope and recieved it (finally)!!! I promised you guys an evaluation of the scope as well as the other articles I bought. So here is the first installment

RIECIVING UNPACKING AND MOUNTING THE M-1000.

It arrived three days late so I was like a kid on Christmas, aticipation you know. I was Immedidatly disapointed to read the words MADE IN CHINA on the box. I was thinking "maybe it's the wrong scope" No such luck. Setting it to the .338 win mag trajectory was a pain in the ass because the destructions were as clear as mud, but I finally got that set. In addition to the main trajectory settings there is a way to tailor it to a specific load within certain paramiters. The reticle was surprisingly clear and while all of the adjustments were stiff they all worked well. I suspect after a month or so of load development with the 225 gr Hornady and the 285 grain match bullets it will slick up enough to use without problems. Next step was mounting the scope.

 I waited till Leatherwood was open and expressed my dissatisfaction with their advertizing shenannigans is all they had to say was "it was developed by an American soldier/sniper and originally made in the USA and it is still the best killing scope for the money you can buy" They did however say that over 50% of their service calls were from dissatisfied folks who thought they were supporting an American company to find out after they got the scope the were instead supporting Chinas industry here. I mention it here because I was very disapointed myself. It's sorta like buying a vintage antique violin just to find out it was nothing but a student violin made in China.








 
You brought this up in your middle magnum thread and it was addressed by Corbett Underwood. Why do you bring this issue up again? It serves no purpose other than to slam a company you seem to have an issue with. This is enough.
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Originally posted by preacherman preacherman wrote:

I wonder if there is an option w/o having to drill holes in a AAA stock?
 
Yeah, lots of options.  One option that works is getting a cheap foam sleeping pad, cutting a custom reaised cheekpiece, and wrapping it in Seran wrap before securing with duct tape (searn wrap keeps the duct tape off the wood finish.
 
You can also get a cheap elastic buttstock ammo holder and stretch it over your foam.
 
 
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Originally posted by preacherman preacherman wrote:

Now that I have bought and paid for the scope and recieved it (finally)!!! I promised you guys an evaluation of the scope as well as the other articles I bought. So here is the first installment

RIECIVING UNPACKING AND MOUNTING THE M-1000.

It arrived three days late so I was like a kid on Christmas, aticipation you know. I was Immedidatly disapointed to read the words MADE IN CHINA on the box. I was thinking "maybe it's the wrong scope" No such luck. Setting it to the .338 win mag trajectory was a pain in the ass because the destructions were as clear as mud, but I finally got that set. In addition to the main trajectory settings there is a way to tailor it to a specific load within certain paramiters. The reticle was surprisingly clear and while all of the adjustments were stiff they all worked well. I suspect after a month or so of load development with the 225 gr Hornady and the 285 grain match bullets it will slick up enough to use without problems. Next step was mounting the scope.

 I waited till Leatherwood was open and expressed my dissatisfaction with their advertizing shenannigans is all they had to say was "it was developed by an American soldier/sniper and originally made in the USA and it is still the best killing scope for the money you can buy" They did however say that over 50% of their service calls were from dissatisfied folks who thought they were supporting an American company to find out after they got the scope the were instead supporting Chinas industry here. I mention it here because I was very disapointed myself. It's sorta like buying a vintage antique violin just to find out it was nothing but a student violin made in China.

MOUNTING THE SCOPE


First I removed the old scope leaving nothing but the bases attached to the rifle. The system works like a  rail system on the M-4 Mounting it on the bases was a snap till I started sighting through it.
Problem 1) depending on where your bases are mounted you may or may not get enough eye relief. In my case I had to chicken neck up the stock and off the cheek pad to see the reticle clearly.
the solutions are obvious shorten the stock or try to move back even further on the bases. Since my stock is a bit long for me between the pistol grip and the factory recoil pad I will shorten the stock till my eye can read the scope.
Problem 2) The height of the M-1000 is much greater than a regular scope mounted in a "ring&base system" Thus it is almost impossible to establish an exact "cheek weld"
 as the rifles cheek piece is too low now to obtain a good cheek weld  so now the only way I  can fix that particular problem is a foam rubber and tape wrap around. If there is any other option please let me know ( short of replacing the stock)

The overall system may work like a dream the problem here is that the centerlines (lengthwise down the stock) are no longer in an optimum position due to the scope having a plate on the bottom. Where center to center with a normal scope is 1.5 " above line of sight it is now closer to2.5 anyway possibly even more. Any IDEAS??

preacherman, I don't often do this but in your case...BS Flag
 
Here is Leatherwood's ADVERTISEMENT on SWFA...
  • Manufacturing of the Camputer Scope has taught Leatherwood how to deal with quality issues in the building of sophisticated optical products in China. The Camputer is the most difficult scope in the world to build even though it appears extremely simple. Leatherwood is now able to finally institute the controls necessary to produce this scope at a very competitive price and get the quality we needed. The new Sporter II shows the results of that work.
  • I, personally, have 4 Leatherwood camputer scopes of 3 variants, one from Vietnam era.  I have NO issues with cheekweld on any.  However, any research shows about 2.5 inches above bore.

    You need to show the ads you find so objectionable...

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    I thought I made it clear. I don't like ANYTHING MADE IN CHINA. It is a political opinion last time I wrote about this it was a political opinion. I thought I had that right  included in the first amendment. I mentioned it in passing this time as a matter of course. If Leupold was manufactured in China I wouldn't even give it a chance. Obviously What I said about the scope was totally blown off because if you had read it you wouldve found that I am doing a honest appraisal of the scope and had actually commented on the quality being good. Apperantly that doesn't matter.

    Later, No opinions allowed here you had another man who bitched for pages and pages. Where was your little flag then? No never mind I could care less
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    You are the one who made the claim you had been deceived.  The ad posted in my above post has been Leatherwood's standard ad for a LONG time.  Obviously, you don't research what you buy.  There are countless photos of the scope on AR15-type rifles and even on the OT there are coments about height above bore. 
    If you didn't do the homework, you have no legitimate complaint about the "grade"...
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    Nor was I aware that Mikes son had replyed to me on another thread. I would have gladly spoken to him directly. Probably due to the fact that I wasn't here. I will forego the rest of the evaluations lest I upset you. God knows I wouldn't want to do that or speak my mind. My apologies the scope is perfict beyond words just assume the same of all products that I bought are the same I personally am  not worthy of anything It's all My fault, I should have known the truth No negative feedback will ever be forthcoming from me and just keep raising that flag By the way Naw. to hell with it
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    Opinion, untempered by fact, is ignorance.
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    The fact remains you discussed the made in China issue two weeks ago. If you have a critical opinion of any given product, fine. But, to restate your complaint over again is unecessary. John Wu, the Chinese plants manager, was a good friend of Jim Leatherwood. Also, Corbett Leatherwood responded on your other thread and that is enough said. It appears a vendetta on an issue you have chosen to ignore.
    Carry on with your mounting issue.
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    I had a Leatherwood made by Meopta...
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    Hi Guys,

      Im new to this forum, this being my first post. I just wanted to say that I've been looking for a scope for my DPMS LR .308 for several weeks and have certainly done my homework. I stumbled across a different thread in this forum about the M1000 and a users bad experience. When Corbett Leatherman himself went out of his way to get this guys issues resolved, it got my attention and got me reading reviews. As with everything else, there are always going to be a few bad apples but for the most part since the manufacturing issues were resolved, this scope has been well recieved. Couple that with the obvious customer care, the price range and the features, I can say that I'm confident in the purchase I just made and am looking forward to mounting this thing and taking it out next weekend. I'll post some results.
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    I'm on my 3rd M1000. first was ordered around Christmas, could not get the thing on paper, it was shooting 4 foot high(The only reason I know that is I saw a tree limb get struck.) Sent it back and competitor sent a reman that looked like a kid tried to repaint it,the screws all looked like they had been chewed up with pliers and painted over. It was also boxed wrong. I didn't even mount that one. Just got the new one in.... I'm not sure if it's much better than the first one. I have a 4'X4' target and haven't hit it once. I have the scope mounted on a Remington 700 VTR .308 with a 0 MOA rail. The cam setting should be around 330 for Winchester 150 grain, but ballistics for m80 ball is closer to 310 (as best as I can decern from the manual.) At 100 yards (as per the manual's 100 yard zero) I have no clue where this thing is going. I moved into 50 yards (with the MOA mark above the "framing" box) and still nothing.... This is starting to get frustrating. If anyone has any experience with this setup please help.   
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    Originally posted by Neal Neal wrote:

    I'm on my 3rd M1000. first was ordered around Christmas, could not get the thing on paper, it was shooting 4 foot high(The only reason I know that is I saw a tree limb get struck.) Sent it back and competitor sent a reman that looked like a kid tried to repaint it,the screws all looked like they had been chewed up with pliers and painted over. It was also boxed wrong. I didn't even mount that one. Just got the new one in.... I'm not sure if it's much better than the first one. I have a 4'X4' target and haven't hit it once. I have the scope mounted on a Remington 700 VTR .308 with a 0 MOA rail. The cam setting should be around 330 for Winchester 150 grain, but ballistics for m80 ball is closer to 310 (as best as I can decern from the manual.) At 100 yards (as per the manual's 100 yard zero) I have no clue where this thing is going. I moved into 50 yards (with the MOA mark above the "framing" box) and still nothing.... This is starting to get frustrating. If anyone has any experience with this setup please help.   


    Have you tried to laser boresight it?  If it's off by that much, it certainly would be apparent and by how much.  At 100 yards, you should use the top 18" bracket mark for point of aim on this scope.

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    This is my second post.. and reading about the m-1000 . I have one mounted on my DPMS sass .308 . Its worked PERFECT ,. Its been thru mudd/ rain/ cold / heat  and no issues . In fog and rain it held its own in some med/ long range shooting .  I'm surely not expert in scopes  and have plenty to learn. BUT is was hitting a iron maiden in fog and rain at 790 yds with my DPMS. .308.   To me  thats not bad.  as for me personally anything under $500.00 will be a Leatherwood  above that and its a Nightforce  or SWFA SS 3-15X42 
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