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Wife wants to start shooting more with me. Wants something bigger than her 22 she now uses. mainly want to learn pistol then maybe move on to rifle.
 
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Wife wants to start shooting more with me. lol  means cost of ammo is going top rise and more time reloading her than shooting myself lol
 
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I have no idea what to look at for her to get as a target/range pistol.  I am thinking 9mm may be best.  Looking now at the right balance of weight for recoil help and smaller grip for her small hands (remember while I'm a sasquatchian 6'7" she's only a petite 5'2").  mag capacity isn't important.  can yall recommend some options to narrow down our search,  we will be going to "fondle" some next weekend but want a good list before hand.  I leaning towards a 1911 in 9mm right now, 4" commander length to help on weight.   Looking at all price ranges but would rather keep it on the lower side than extravagant due to not knowing if she'll stick with it.
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How much experience does your young bride possess shooting pistols larger than a .22 LR? 

If the answer is "some" or "very little", I'd opt for another pistol platform, other than a 1911 for a first large caliber pistola.  

If the Mrs. is reasonably well acquainted with shooting large caliber, semi auto pistols, then the 1911 option becomes more desirable. 1911 is a hard pistol to master, IMHO. Once mastered though, a tuned 1911 has few, if any equals.      
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Are you wanting a "precision" pistol or something typical of what she'd use as a CCW?

What's your budget?


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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Are you wanting a "precision" pistol or something typical of what she'd use as a CCW?

What's your budget?



Yeah. I got a gently used Glock 19 I'll sell ya.....Laugh
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

  Looking at all price ranges but would rather keep it on the lower side than extravagant due to not knowing if she'll stick with it.

Yet another reason to look at a pistol other than the 1911. You can really sock a bundle getting a 1911 "right". 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Are you wanting a "precision" pistol or something typical of what she'd use as a CCW?

What's your budget?



Yeah. I got a gently used Glock 19 I'll sell ya.....Laugh
 
I wish I did have a G19 left in the stable, all I have left is G22's.  I Think a g19 with a grip reduction would work well for her. Don't you wanna sell it back to me?
 
She has some experience.  She wants to become more proficient on the range and then she will start actually carrying something more than she does now.  She is comfortable and confident in her P22 walther and has carried it a few times she went out and wanted it but lets face it a 22lr will deter but won't stop most threats unless its perfect shot placement.  She can draw from her pocketbook and hit a pie plate every time at 30ft but I'd feel better with more stopping power.
 
She liked the Sig 938 I got for her aunt and I think i'll probably get her one of those later on but really want to concentrate on the range for a while. She wants to be 100% comfortable with the mechanics of shooting prior to getting her a CCW to use daily.  Plus shooting a CCW isn't nearly as enjoyable as a larger gun and while she will practice and get comfortable with a CCW when the time comes to get her one she wants something more enjoyable for range time now.
 
She does not like any revolvers I've had her shoot.  She likes the colt 1903 I have but not the sights on it.
 
She has been shooting my blackout AR lately and I think if I can get her proficient with a pistol and maybe then a shotgun I can enter her into some of the local 3 gun matches where only 2-3 ladies enter and all take home prizes.
 
 
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No, I do not wish to sell the G-19 back to you. It's really grown on me. 
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No worries  I'm just funnin' you anyways.  I may end up with another as I do think it might be a good platform for her.  Again with a grip reduction to fit her hands better it would be a good building platform too.  especially with Dillon pimping the ZEV upgrades around here lately.
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Get a Ruger Mark III (for now), they're inexpensive to run and fun to shoot.


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Honestly, I think I'd look hard at an H&K P7 PSP (9mm). They aren't inexpensive, but you can find them for "mid range" 1911 type money on Gunbroker on occasion if you're willing to live with finish flaws. That's what I did; then I promptly sent it to Robar and had them refinish with NP3 Plus, and I couldn't be happier with it. I also added some aftermarket wood grips and Trijicon night sights, and as a result, mine looks a lot like this:



That isn't a photo of mine, as I didn't have a photo handy, but mine looks just like that. You'll save a lot of $ by picking the PSP version rather than the P7 M13. The difference is the PSP has 8 round single stack mag capacity vs. 13/staggered for the M13 version, the PSP has a heel mag release vs. the ambi mag release button next to the trigger guard typical of "American" market pisols, and the PSP has a narrower grip as a result of the single stack mag.

There are several reasons I would strongly consider this pistol:

1. Due to the fact it has a fixed barrel, made possible by its gas-piston delayed blowback action, combined with an excellent barrel and poly rifling, it is VERY accurate for a "service" style sidearm.
2. It's extremely safe due to it's unique "squeeze cocking" mechanism. When you release the grip, it's totally uncocked / condition 3, yet when you grip it, it's ready to rock/ condition 1. There are no other mechanical safeties other than the squeeze cocking lever (seen on the front of the grip), so it's either totally uncocked or ready to fire; no middle ground. Just pick it up, aim, and squeeze the trigger; not much else to think about, as you're going to naturally squeeze the cocking lever when you grip it anyway. The squeeze cocker also drops the slide after mag reloads, so it's very fast during speed drills.
3. Due to the squeeze cocking mechanism, there are no external levers or buttons other than the takedown button and the mag release button, making it very streamlined and snag free.
4. Due to its unique fire control system, it has a wonderful, light, smooth trigger comparable to a good 1911.
5. Due to the fact it doesn't use the "Browning style" tilting breechblock like most service pistols and instead has a gas cylinder below the barrel to ensure lockup until firing pressure drops, the bore axis is lower than just about any service pistol, giving it very little muzzle flip and making follow-up shots very quick. It is a double-tap dream!
6. It's EXTREMELY well made, with tight-fitting parts as you'd expect from an H&K pistol made in Germany.
7. It's EXTREMELY reliable, due to the fluted chamber and feed geometry (It doesn't really even have a feed ramp, for reasons you'd have to see to fully understand). It will even eject without an extractor, so the extractor doesn't have to do much work.
8. It has a wonderful grip feel due to great ergonomics.
9. It's very easy to take down and reassemble, due to the single take-down button on the frame.
10. It's fairly compact and very narrow compared to other service pistols of similar barrel length.
11. It's all steel, giving it a nice heft and balance.
12. It has a "cool factor" that very few pistols can match, due to its uniqueness and futuristic look!

Disadvantages:
1. It's expensive, due to the fact the design is expensive to build, and it has some collector value (specimens in pristine condition).
2. Due to the gas delay cylinder being located between the barrel and the trigger guard, the area above the trigger can eventually get hot during extended shooting (and therefore uncomfortable for the trigger finger), but that happens after about 50 rounds. If you let it cool between long shot strings, it's not an issue.
3. It has a rather unusual manual of arms due to the squeeze cocker that might pose momentary training issues for people used to DA/SA, SA, or DAO pistols using the Browning style locking system.
4. It's fairly heavy, but that's because it's all-steel.
5. It's no longer in production, due to the high mfg cost, but it's so well made, it will last multiple lifetimes.

Again, they are typically VERY accurate, smooth, and very fun to shoot! Every buddy of mine who is into pistols and who has shot mine ended up wanting one BADLY!


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I have a G21C that I love, but it's huge.  I would go with a Sig - all metal construction, so it's heavier than a polymer frame handgun, reliable, and accurate.  My P229 .40 is the envy of several of my friends, and it is a 1995 model.  That said, a good G19C would be a lot of fun...
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Get a Ruger Mark III (for now), they're inexpensive to run and fun to shoot.


EVERY shooter needs at least one of those (or the Mark I or II), regardless of what they already do or don't have in their collection.
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Ted, do you think that the squeeze is to much for a female with not much centerfire pistol experience to handle?  I know it would mean a firm grip and for a carry gun might be perfect but for a range gun i'm not sure.
 
Deck I have a sig 229, grips to large for her, just holding it she doesn't like it. 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Get a Ruger Mark III (for now), they're inexpensive to run and fun to shoot.


EVERY shooter needs at least one of those (or the Mark I or II), regardless of what they already do or don't have in their collection.
I'm in the process of building an all metal 22/45, not finished yet.  Dang frames almost $500
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If you like Glock, take a serious look at the new vp9 by HK. For an HK they're surprisingly inexpensive and the reviews are crazy good, they're super easy to operate, light, very accurate and I love the trigger.

I haven't thought about firing my G19 since buying the vp9. Big Smile

http://hk-usa.com/hk-models/vp9/






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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Honestly, I think I'd look hard at an H&K P7 PSP (9mm). They aren't inexpensive, but you can find them for "mid range" 1911 type money on Gunbroker on occasion if you're willing to live with finish flaws. That's what I did; then I promptly sent it to Robar and had them refinish with NP3 Plus, and I couldn't be happier with it. I also added some aftermarket wood grips and Trijicon night sights, and as a result, mine looks a lot like this:






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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Ted, do you think that the squeeze is to much for a female with not much centerfire pistol experience to handle?


No, my 17 year old daughter has been shooting mine since she was 14, and she loves to shoot it. Whenever I take her to the range, she always asks me if I brought "that German gun."

At first, it seems like the squeeze cock lever requires a lot of pressure. However, the holding pressure is much less than the initial pressure to move it into cocked position, and again, if you're gripping the pistol properly in the first place as you should with any pistol, you're naturally going to exert way more pressure than is required to cock it and hold it in cocked position.

Once you shoot one, you can't help but admire how ingenious and well-made it is.
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As an added bonus for female shooters, due to its heft, its very high grip and low bore axis, it is very pleasant to shoot, with extremely mild recoil, even with +P 147gr ammo.

When a former co-worker of mine who doesn't shoot much was thinking of buying his wife a CCW, we went to the range and I was instructing her on how to shoot. The P7 was one of the pistols I brought with me. She had poor grip strength and still had no problem at all running the P7, and in fact shot best with it vs. the 6 or 7 other pistols we had on-hand, which included a Ruger MK III! Her husband wanted to buy her a P7... until he inquired about price.
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10-4,  I'll see if I can find one locally for her to fondle and keep it in mind.  Not sure I want to put over $1000 in to one but I could always keep that for myself if she doesnt' like it. Wink

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One of the secretaries is having "girls shooting night" tonight, and when I went out to the car to get some snuff, she showed me her XD-9.  That is a sweet little setup.  It's 5.25", and it's very balanced. Plus, it's 19+1.  Not too big in the grip either.  I would take a look.
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

One of the secretaries and I went out to the car to get some snuff, she showed me her XD-9.  Not too big in the grip either.  I would take a look.


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Wow! The largest I've ever had in my grip were DDD's!
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fwiw....  my soon to be ex-wife did fine with my Sig P2022.  the grip/fit wasn't great.. but she had no problem with the recoil and shot it very well!
 
I also have a S&W Sheild as my carry... and the grip/fit would be much better... but I think it recoils alot!  these are both in 9mm.  
 
maybe try a 380? if you are looking at a smaller frame.. just a thought.  I have a HiPoint 380 and not a bad "try and see if she's serious"  model.. they are cheap enough.  its gone "Bang" each and every time its trigger has ever been pulled!!
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For a range target gun for someone with smaller hands I would look at a SA XDm 5.25 in 9mm or a XD 9 Tactical.  The HK vp9 or the Sig P320 are both good choices with my preference going towards the Sig. And changing the grips to the Hogue G10 and a Gray Guns intermediate trigger would make the Sig P229 a good choice as well. The G10 grips are slightly thinner but they also shorten the reach to the trigger. I have small hands and all but one of my P series Sigs have G10 grips. The Gray Guns intermediate trigger is slightly longer than the Sig short trigger, but to me and most others it has better leverage. If I was limited to just one 9mm it would be the Sig 229 with G10 grips and an intermediate trigger.
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   All the pistols that have been suggested are great but I do know from experience that if SHE don't like the pistol you get her SHE won't shoot it very much. I suggest you take her to a gun show and let her pick up as many pistols as she can to find one that feels good in her hand. Then make a list of the pistols SHE liked and try to find some friends or a range that has them for her to try.
 
  I will say that women are inclined to pick cute little pistols because they think they will not recoil so bad and because they are cute. If this is going to be a carry pistol then that is fine but if this is going to be a target/plinking pistol she should seriously consider a pistol that is a full size or compact. This size pistol is easier to control because the weight reduces the felt recoil, the bigger frame is easier to hold and the longer sight radius is more accurate.
 
  My 12 & 14 year old daughters have been shooting Glock 22 (with Lonewolf 9mm conversion barrels) for 2 years now and they really enjoy them. When my friends are looking for a pistol for their wives to carry I readily suggest the Glock 19/23 because they work (as long as they don't weak wrist them). My wife likes her little S&W 940 revolver which is like a S&W 642 but the 940 is 9mm (I know a 9mm revolver with moon clips is cool huh?). My wife likes to shoot it but my daughters both hate it because the recoil is too sharp.
 
Good luck on getting your wife involved in the shooting sports.
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