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THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT

As the Supreme Court heard arguments for and against the Chicago , IL Gun
Ban, this man offered you another stellar example of a letter (written by a
Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a
civilized society.

Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . . . .

Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last
paragraph of the letter....

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either
convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of
force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
without exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through
persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and
the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason
and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or
employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal
footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with
a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload
of drunken guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between
a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force
equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all
guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a
[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's
potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative
fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful
living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal
force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with
a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works
solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both
are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian
as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as
a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot
be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because
it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who
would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would
do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why
carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed
and can only be persuaded, never forced.

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thats a very well thought out piece. thanks for sharingExcellent
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Excellent Great read!
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That is, by far and away, the best I have ever read! Excellent
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

 
 
Interesting...........Big Grin
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I think that people don't understand that this is more of a human behavior issue than a gun rights issue. You hear all the time about people getting killed by a drunk driver so following their logic I guess we will hear about eliminating cars to solve that problem too.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

 
 
Interesting...........Big Grin


He left me speechless!!


Sorry, been having issues posting pics and emoticons as of late.
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Brilliant!! Excellent
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

 
 
Interesting...........Big Grin


He left me speechless!!


Sorry, been having issues posting pics and emoticons as of late.

I thought you were just tagging this post, Mike.  
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The logic is too simple, too common (common sense). The libs and anti's won't get it!! Its like speaking klingonLaser Zap
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Thanks for sharing a great piece CF & Thanks to the Marine who put it to paper.Soungs like a person with alot of personal experience with a weapon,The Pearls of Wisdom are Heard not Spoken
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT

As the Supreme Court heard arguments for and against the Chicago , IL Gun
Ban, this man offered you another stellar example of a letter (written by a
Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a
civilized society.

Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . . . .

Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last
paragraph of the letter....

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either
convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of
force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
without exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through
persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and
the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason
and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or
employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal
footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with
a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload
of drunken guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between
a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force
equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all
guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a
[armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's
potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative
fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful
living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal
force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with
a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works
solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both
are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian
as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as
a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot
be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because
it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who
would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would
do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why
carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed
and can only be persuaded, never forced.

"Reason is not automatic... those who deny it, cannot be defeated by it..."  Ayn Rand
 
Which is exactly why the above is such genius...
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n9ZvwPmjJu4#!



We are well on our way.
You would think we would know going the way of Europe is like slitting our own throat... guess not.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:





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Gun

Ban, this man offered you another stellar example of a letter (written by a

Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a

civilized society.



Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . . . .



Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last

paragraph of the letter....



"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)



Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.

If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either

convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of

force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,

without exception.



Reason or force, that's it.



In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through

persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and

the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as

paradoxical as it may sound to some.



When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason

and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or

employment of force.



The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal

footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with

a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload

of drunken guys with baseball bats.



The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between

a potential attacker and a defender.



There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force

equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all

guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a

[armed> mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's

potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative

fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.



People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the

young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a

civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful

living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.



Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that

otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in

several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the

physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.



People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal

force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with

a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works

solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both

are armed, the field is level.



The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian

as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as

a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.



When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but

because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot

be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because

it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who

would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would

do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why

carrying a gun is a civilized act.



By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)



So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed

and can only be persuaded, never forced.



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