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I just thought it would be interesting to see if anyone knew what the most expensive rifle scope is?

And what is the worlds best rifle scope a civilian can get there hands on?
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MY vote is the Zeiss Victory line - for hunting anyway.

 

lots of folks like the schmidt and bender and swaro's.

 

that zeiss just seems to be the top dog IMO, but i haven't actually seen the S&B.

 

S&B is the most expensive, usually.

 

for tactical, the sky's the limit - you can get custom from USO for a pretty penny.

 

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My choice for the "best of the best" in hunting rifles is the Swarovski Z6.  I've looked through them all, including Zeiss Victory, Schmidt & Bender, etc.  There are differences among the top for sure, particularly FFP vs. SFP, wire vs. etched glass recticles, etc., but my ranking is based purely on the optical view.

 

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Look through a Trijicon, side by side any of the above.  You will be suprised.
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For tactical, USO is the way to go, every bit as good as S&B.  I prefer their illumination system, their overall strength, and their customer service is the bet in the business.

 

For hunting, it'd be close between Swaro and Zeiss. 

 

The "differences" at this level become so amazing small as to be purely preferential.

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No, I have not, but I have seen the bathwater submersion test.

 

And, I forgot to mention the merits of the EREK knob.  To me, that alone is worth the price of admission.  And those who have gotten lost dialing back to their 200 yard zero from their 800 yard shot will know exactly what I mean.

 

 

I do wish they were sold here at SWFA.

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your right dolphin, i was at the st louis nra event and i was amazed when i looked through the trijicon, it seemed like better optics than the s&b, zeiss, nf, maybe it was the lighting or a fluke??? . i have two s&b and love them, i just think back sometimes looking through that scope in disbelief, ---no way this triji is better than my s&b!!!
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Originally posted by dpslusser dpslusser wrote:

I just thought it would be interesting to see if anyone knew what the most expensive rifle scope is?

And what is the worlds best rifle scope a civilian can get there hands on?

 

Zeiss Diavari scopes would be my first choice. I know I hunt in low light all the time. Any of their 56mm scopes are INCREDIBLE, I've never looked through their 72mm but its probably "OMG!!!!".

 

Second I'd go with S&B.

 

Kahles in the 56mm class is another incredible scope.

 

Swarovski gets a lot of marketing hype. They are indeed great optics for any legal shooting time, but I give the edge to Zeiss then S&B.

 

If you do your research on Zeiss as a company they do some pretty incredible things with glass. Microscopy, ophthalmology, planetariums, spectrometer & Zeiss is heavily into optronics "building periscopes on submarines".

 

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If your getting up into the range of 2000 dollars or more. Why not just go for laser rangefinding rifle scopes. Ones that compensate bullet drop and such?
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Because they suck - in a general sense.

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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Because they suck - in a general sense.



lol, ok then
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Originally posted by dpslusser dpslusser wrote:

If your getting up into the range of 2000 dollars or more. Why not just go for laser rangefinding rifle scopes. Ones that compensate bullet drop and such?

 

Me personally I think its because of weight & the cumbersome feel of something that heavy on top of a gun. I'd just rather have a good rangefinder & use a system such as the Rapid Z or TDS.

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I have had a USO 3,2-17x56 and I was NOT impressed

The first impression was "this must be manufactured in Russia"

 

Magnification ring could not be turned unless loads of strength was used.

Illumination was so strong that it's absolutely worthless during low light hours.

Front thread was so loose to I actually wondered how this could have left the factory.

 

I have seen and owned monday examples from Zeiss and SuB too, and all factories have mondays.

But this monday when this scope was made must been the worst monday latest hundred years.

There is actually noting on that scope that impressed on me, except for the price, over 4000 dollars..........

 

When it comes to the question wich scope is the best it's all up to the situation where it should be used.

In a driven hunt where the wild boar passes you on 5 yards as fast as he could any magnified scope above 1,5X  is slow and that is negative,

With a fox out in the dark at 100 yards a 1,5X scope or an aimpoint is absolutaly useless because you cant see anything.

So there is no scope that is good for everything, just like there is no vehicle that is good for everything.

Try to use a Porche where a 4WD is needed.........

 

Regards Technika

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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

I have had a USO 3,2-17x56 and I was NOT impressed

The first impression was "this must be manufactured in Russia"

 

Magnification ring could not be turned unless loads of strength was used.

Illumination was so strong that it's absolutely worthless during low light hours.

Front thread was so loose to I actually wondered how this could have left the factory.

 

I have seen and owned monday examples from Zeiss and SuB too, and all factories have mondays.

But this monday when this scope was made must been the worst monday latest hundred years.

There is actually noting on that scope that impressed on me, except for the price, over 4000 dollars..........

 

When it comes to the question wich scope is the best it's all up to the situation where it should be used.

In a driven hunt where the wild boar passes you on 5 yards as fast as he could any magnified scope above 1,5X  is slow and that is negative,

With a fox out in the dark at 100 yards a 1,5X scope or an aimpoint is absolutaly useless because you cant see anything.

So there is no scope that is good for everything, just like there is no vehicle that is good for everything.

Try to use a Porche where a 4WD is needed.........

 

Regards Technika



Thanks for the information...on the bright side...Porche does make their 500hp twin turbo 4WD $100,000 dollar model. The Porche Cayenne
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I've heard a few horror stories regarding USO, but have never actually seen a bad scope of theirs.  Likewise, I have never known anyone who got anything but outstanding service from them.

I know what you mean though, I've had 2 Leupolds fail and, good as they may one day be, I will never pay money for a Leupold.

I like USO, I have had great success with USO, I have never broken one nor seen one totally die in service (and I've seen some extreme service.)  And did I mention how much I like the EREK knob?

People have not embraced the laser rangefinder scopes yet because they A. they are new and not inexpensive, B. their optics don't tend to measure up to non-rangefinding scopes, C. their function isn't the simplest or most foolproof, and D. when their batteries fail, you have a goofy-looking shoebox on your rifle that does little.

Also, I'm guessing the warranty ain't too great - probably 3 years on the high side.

My recommendation, as stated above, is to get a good Leica range finder and a good scope that does nothing more than put holes in targets far away in a predictable and repeatable manner.
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