New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The best Black Rifle is?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Check GunBroker.com for SWFA's No Reserve and No Minimum bid firearm auctions.

The best Black Rifle is?

 Post Reply Post Reply   Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options Page  1 2>
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/30/2007 at 19:49
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
i dont have any experience with the rifle styles ar-15 m-16 but to me a ar-15 style rifle in a 260 sounds sweet.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/30/2007 at 20:34
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/30/2007 at 20:34
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
now thats a sweet stick, and its black!
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/30/2007 at 21:12
Dale Clifford View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight


Joined: July/04/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5087
might want to check out the 20' the 24" are very front end heavy, also make sure to get target trigger, I think dpms uses rra, not sure, but timmney has a new noe for ars--- no complaints about the one in my ar10T , also added lead to the rear to re-balance the gun am currently waiting for a new stock http://www.medeshafirearms.com/prod01.htm
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/30/2007 at 21:30
Lonzo View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: January/26/2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 12
What is the scope on that sweet stick?  Looks like a Dandy.  Awsome looking rifle.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/31/2007 at 01:13
isshogai View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/28/2007
Status: Offline
Points: 19
 I like the Armalite 20" SSbarrel    All makers of the .308 AR's have a SASS rifle some w/SSbarrel some don't    Military consider the SR-25 the Holy Grail at one time I might've agreed    Armalite  had a.243 AR-10 for a short time  but didn't sell to well  the Bushmaster=BAR-10=plans/tooling was sold to Rock River Arms  it has forward assist and uses FAL mags
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/31/2007 at 07:32
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
i think its an x.o.t.i.c and just like the man that rifle was designed for its deadly
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/31/2007 at 12:47
Dale Clifford View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight


Joined: July/04/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5087

Anyone have some experience with this type of weapon

 

yes--- yu didn't ask about a dpms.

 

you need the remington--- 308--- schmidt and bender catalog     www.snipershide.com

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/31/2007 at 21:09
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
i dont see recoil being a factor here, but that could just be me, i think the sectional density on the 260 is a little better on some weights.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/01/2007 at 09:34
Dale Clifford View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight


Joined: July/04/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5087

Planning to buy a sniper type AR style rifle in either 260 or 308. So far the DPMS 24" fluted model seems to get very high marks. Anyone have some experience with this type of weapon?
Uses will be varmints, deer and paper punching.

 

My mistake- you were referring the second sentance to the first, rather than as a generic grouping, as the dpms is subset of stoner designs. The recoil will be the same all things being equal, the recoil velocity of the gun, however, will be different. Within the relative short range of 500 yds it would be hard to tell the differences. The recoil figure for the 260 is the same because although the bullet is lighter, you will be shooting it faster, thus negating the advantage. The choice between 308 and 260 is certainly up to the "experiment" level of the shooter as the 260 will offer less reloading options. The only vector that co-ordinates ballistic coeff. and velocity is "time of flight". The shorter it is, the better the set up, regardless of anything else.

 

forgot-- pyro -- you sure thats not a shepard on that m-1a



Edited by Dale Clifford
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/01/2007 at 18:01
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
oh i have no idea what kind scope on that m-25 whitefeather, i doesnt say on springfields web page but she looks sweet. the xotic was the closest thing i could come up with. you may be right i cant tell what it says on the side.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/01/2007 at 20:49
isshogai View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/28/2007
Status: Offline
Points: 19
 my apologies I've no experience w/ DPMS    system thought my input on other manufacturers would be of help     maybe not
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/03/2007 at 09:39
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7765
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/04/2007 at 11:52
thinkingman View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice


Joined: January/13/2006
Status: Offline
Points: 93

I cannot speak for the .260, although I think it's an excellent cartridge, I've only shot AR in .223 and .308.

.223 is, to me, the most fun for varmints and paper.

I have a RockRiver Varmint with an 18" bull barrel and just learned how important matching the twist rate of your barrel is to ammo selection.

I have gotten excellent groups from BlackHills 52gr match but found going to 68gr and, better yet, 77gr match bullets makes cloverleafs easy.

Really easy.

I don't handload .223 so this is with factory ammo, either BlackHills or HSM.

I have never heard anyone dismiss Rock River as a second-tier manufacturer.

I think mine is the shizzz.....chose it over Bushy, Colt(never a contender) and Armalite.

My buddy has a DPMS upper over an Armalite lower and has had jamming problems.

I've heard DPMS uses some soft parts....cannot confirm first-hand.

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/06/2007 at 12:13
Dale Clifford View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight


Joined: July/04/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5087
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/06/2007 at 23:07
isshogai View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/28/2007
Status: Offline
Points: 19
I used to have a Versa-Pod wasn't happy with it at all      the swiveling of the head on the shaft made moving from left to right or forward to back troublesome    meaning you had to lift rifle/weapon up maybe 3-4" and if you're out in the field this might be of concern   the others look solid  but have no experience with them  my.02 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/07/2007 at 06:21
VNVGUNNER View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: October/29/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 6

You might want to start here         &n bsp;    www.ar15.com

 

 



Edited by VNVGUNNER
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/07/2007 at 10:01
Urimaginaryfrnd View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Resident Redneck

Joined: June/20/2005
Location: Iowa
Status: Offline
Points: 13882

My son has one of the DPMS .308  ( m4 type) but have not had much opportunity to do more than sight it in with a Trijicon TA01B. I say sight it in but truth is when I put the scope with GGG mount on it I didn't even have to adjust it a single click - what are the chances of that.  Its about a 1moa gun where my M1a is a 2moa gun.

The Rock River .308 is expected out this summer as it is in a law suit with Armalite, the guns are built but cant be sold yet.

The M1a family of rifles suffers from needing to use only certain ammo at close to mill spec or if you use too heavy a bullet it will bend the op rod. (you can turn off the gas system and shoot the heavy bullets without harm then manually work the action).  The new Horniday reloading book gives loading info for M1a at lower powder charges than the other .308 data.

The best  AR type out there is the Custom AR 10 from GAPrecision  like the one being sold here under firearms for sale. I cant believe he's selling it. I'm still not convinced that these are better battle rifles than the M1a / M14 family of rifles even though they are more accurate.  The M1a just like the AK needs a little play to be able to work in the mud and sand.

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/07/2007 at 10:24
isshogai View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/28/2007
Status: Offline
Points: 19
  Like the F-4 Phantom(that I might add is still in use by many countries today) that has the capability to do many things ,some better than others this is the category of the M-14/M1-A   as far as battle rilfes it's in the top 5  is it the best sniping rifle  maybe depends on the shooter    the AR-10 is a good platform but more specialized or versatile as the M-14/M1-A    I own both of them majority of the time M-80 gets put through the M1-A and out to 500 and on my good days 700 it does fine w/iron sights   AR-10 had some feeding problems at the beginning but they got worked out at the  factory     I believe Bushmaster had tooling /patent  before selling it to RRA read something about bolt and carrier needing a series of cuts to get FAL mags to work   I wrote them they denied anything of the sort    FYI
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/07/2007 at 12:30
Dale Clifford View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight


Joined: July/04/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5087

Neither are as good as the FN-FAL or Galliels (sp) and if the same amount of tuning is put into a DSA it will shoot with any AR10

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/08/2007 at 00:18
isshogai View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/28/2007
Status: Offline
Points: 19
   my buddy's  STG 58 -FAL made the full circle on a couple of guys before I got it all claiming it kicked  even w/ gas adjusted all the way out  somebody suggested  piston as the culprit   so a call to Tapco for replacement    to no avail still didn't care for it so traded it for  Bushmaster AR(or whatever letters they're using )-15 A-1 .223    yeah it's a step down in caliber   but's something I can teach family membersw/it and not worry about them bruising a shoulder or flinching        I've no expereince w/either DSA or Galil although I consider the latter  in the group of "The  Holy Grail"   Benecio Del Toro  and Eric Bana made good use of it in "The Way of the Gun" and "Munich"   them and of course the many in the IDF
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/08/2007 at 20:44
Charlie70 View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: February/22/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 90

I have a 6.5 Grendel from Alexander Arms and love it. The few times I have taken it out, it has been .5 MOA at worst. Very low recoil and very accurate.

Grendel

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/08/2007 at 20:48
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
sweet stick
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/08/2007 at 21:36
isshogai View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: March/28/2007
Status: Offline
Points: 19
 is the 6.5 Grendel based on .223 or .308 ?   I've heard of the round but didn't do any research on it    how far can it/you shoot accurately?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/09/2007 at 13:12
Charlie70 View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: February/22/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 90

isshogai,

It's AR-15 platform, not AR-10. It will shoot 600 yards pretty easily and there are guys I have talked to who shoot to 1000 with it. Most of them who shoot that far have at least a 24" barrel, mine is 19.5". Personally, I have shot mine to 300 and kept it just under MOA, it was pretty breezy that day too.

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  1 2>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Similar Threads: "The best Black Rifle is?"
Subject Author Forum Replies Last Post
Good .22 caliber rifle needs a Good fixed scope shooter4 Rifle Scopes 11
The rifle of Good shooting at 200 and 300m 8shots The Range Report 11
Painted/Coated Black Rifles SVT_Tactical Firearms 26
for you black rifle fellars pyro6999 Firearms 166
Nikon Monarch 6.5-20x44 Matte Black Rifle styer308 Rifle Scopes 0 11/1/2006 6:15:49 PM
Good rifle? Trykon Rifle Scopes 14 11/16/2006 1:02:30 PM
Good all around Rifle Scope? Mike_F Rifle Scopes 32
Rifle scope for Custom rifle Narrow Gap Rifle Scopes 10
Scope and Scope mount for Ruger Black and Red Hawk bigboar Rifle Scopes 1
44 mag black bear ckk1106 Reloading & Ballistics 14


This page was generated in 0.359 seconds.