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 someone please help me get the right scope. i want the glass of a 4200 elite bushnell

the E&W adjustments of the super sniper 10X (pass the box test) repeatable and trackable movement.  with an illuminated reticle, AO and diopter focus, target turrets, fine cross hair reticle. great for targets and deer maybe a 4-14X zoom or a little more. here's the catch, for around $400 and no IM just post replies so everyone can respond that agrees or doesn't since sometimes one person's opinion needs others to reply to what they say as well. cause someone might say barska or BSA. i have been looking at a scope on the kalinka optcs site the KO PPO sniper series 5x20x50 for $349. any comment on that as well does anyone know about those russian scopes? they are claiming ziess or leupold quality glass. i just really want a scope i can really enjoy shooting and hunting with and that i can depend on. i have had this new rifle waiting for a scope for months now and i want this to be an educated choice. thank you in advance. my rifle is a savage 110 accutrigger 30-06  with a mounting solutions one piece full picatinny rail 0 moa. also i can't see needing to shoot over 400 to 500 yards max.

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Burris XTR 3-12x50 and XTR rings. Good luck.

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thanks SVD666 that is an awesome scope but $709 at SWFA not close to my $400 ball park
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Stay away from Kalinka optics.  They are not the best people to deal with.  They sell a lot of factory seconds for full price.

I once bought a PPO 5-20x50 from them and it was a certified piece of crap.  Then the coatings delaminated.

If you are really on a budget and you want a bunch of features (bad combination typically), you can try a Millett 4-16x50 TRS-1 scope.  Millett has changed their ways and they are not bad now and you do get a lot of features for the money if that is what you want.  Personally, I'd rather give up on some of the features and get better glass.

As an additional note, a properly executed illuminated reticle is a major rarity in scopes under a $1000. although there are a few out there.

If you are willing to give up the illuminated reticle (mostly a useles gimmisck anyway) consider Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x50 with side focus.

Another good scope you might want to look at is Sightron S2 4.5-14 SS with side-focus, MilDot and illuminated reticle.

Sometimes I see some Sightron S3 3.5-10x44 scopes floating around on Ebay for under $400.  Those would work well for you also.

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thanks SVD666 and koshkin very much for the response and advice. someone PM'd me about the nikon monarch ucc on sale for $190 off and i was wanting some feed back on that scope it seems to have all the bells and whistles i was looking for and with the money off it is in my cost range, but i had a nikon buckmaster scope before and it would not pass the box test and needed to be tapped to settle the reticle each time movement was made on the W&E if you didn't it would not move then you would make more adjustment and then a big jump in movement would happen and the movement was not 1/4 inch at 100 yards as specified on the turrets. needless to say i was not happy and i don't want to repeat that kind of crap , but the monarch ucc might be great i just don't want to find out the hard way,advice? suggestions? anyone try the box test on a monarch ucc?  i have never had a scope on a bolt gun that did what i thought it should. don't get me wrong that nikon buck master once i tapped it and set the zero at 100 yards it was on top of a savage 110 7mm remington mag that i had some sweet hand loads in some once fired brass a guy worked up for me and no lie it would put a three shot group at 100 yards clover leaf style you could cover with a nickle. off a bench with a caldwell front rest with matching rear sandbag it was a hole puncher for sure but again i wanted to be able to dial up multiple ranges on the E turret and that wasn't going to happen.
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quote koshkin>>If you are willing to give up the illuminated reticle (mostly a useles gimmisck anyway) consider Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x50 with side focus.

 

i disagree with that since i hunt in low light situations a lot and i have seen with my own eyes that an illuminated reticle can be a mojor help in low light. when you can still see the deer but everything is so dark the deer and background that your reticle blends into the target and background your aim point become a guess. with the flip of a switch the aim point becomes crystal clear and the kill zone area is easy to make out on the deer to you take the shot with no problem and that makes a huge improvement over the time i had no illuminated reticle i had hunted all day with no sight of a deer, got out of the stand,walked the path to the field my truck was in and soon as i saw the field at least 10 deer were in the field i could have took one but the reticle was blending in so i watched them play around a while and eased my way to the truck. nice day in nature observation but a bad hunting day. illuminated reticles when needed are very nice from personal experience and with that said i would rather have one and never need it than to not have one and wish i did. see those red words better? picture the white background of this post being dark, and there you have the advantage right here in this post.

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The first thing to drop when buying scopes on a budget is the illuminated reticle.

 

The second thing to drop when buying scopes on a budget is a new scope.

 

Buy used second hand and get the most out of your money.

 

Regards Technika

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Dragunov I know what you want and I am sorry to say it is over your budget,

there is some very good advice here from everyone and you are going to have

to do homework here and bargain shop. Good Luck.

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Originally posted by druganov druganov wrote:

quote koshkin>>If you are willing to give up the illuminated reticle (mostly a useles gimmisck anyway) consider Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x50 with side focus.

 

i disagree with that since i hunt in low light situations a lot and i have seen with my own eyes that an illuminated reticle can be a mojor help in low light. when you can still see the deer but everything is so dark the deer and background that your reticle blends into the target and background your aim point become a guess. with the flip of a switch the aim point becomes crystal clear and the kill zone area is easy to make out on the deer to you take the shot with no problem and that makes a huge improvement over the time i had no illuminated reticle i had hunted all day with no sight of a deer, got out of the stand,walked the path to the field my truck was in and soon as i saw the field at least 10 deer were in the field i could have took one but the reticle was blending in so i watched them play around a while and eased my way to the truck. nice day in nature observation but a bad hunting day. illuminated reticles when needed are very nice from personal experience and with that said i would rather have one and never need it than to not have one and wish i did. see those red words better? picture the white background of this post being dark, and there you have the advantage right here in this post.



While in an ideal world you would be correct, in practice, here are a couple of considerations:

First of all, if you loose sight of your reticel, consider a thicker reticle, such as #4 available from a number of makers.  It is much thicker than standard duples or mildot and is much more visible in low light.

Second, vast majority or illuminated reticles this side of Schmidt and Bender are poorly executed.  The biggest issue is that the reticle in vast majority of cases is far too bright and kills your night vision very quickly, not to say anything about glare, reflections and ghost images it creates inside the scope.  For example, with a Millett TRS-1 scope I mentioned above, the only useable illumination setting was the one labeled "NV" for night vision.  All other settings were far too bright.  The best way for you would probably be one of Trijicon's Accupoint scopes with their tritium illumination.  I think there is one on the Sample List for just over $400.

Aside from that, there a few scopes out there where only the center dot is illuminated.  Burris Elctro Dot scopes are not bad for example.  Make sure you go to the store and look at how bright the illumination is.  Basically, the reticle will only be useable if on the lowest setting, with the objective lens blocked with a cover of some sort, you can barely see the illumination.  If on the lowest setting the reticle looks bright, it will have a detrimental effect.

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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

The first thing to drop when buying scopes on a budget is the illuminated reticle.

 

The second thing to drop when buying scopes on a budget is a new scope.

 

Buy used second hand and get the most out of your money.

 

Regards Technika

 

I agree with the "drop the illuminated reticle" part of this post, if your on a budget.

 

And I have gotten real good buys on used optics gear.(A pre-owned S&B WITH a lit #7 reticle comes to mind.)  

As an aside, I think S&B is one of the few scope makers that makes the lit reticle really work for you.

 

But, I'm not sure I agree with buying ONLY used scopes if your on a budget though.

 

Guess it depends on the condition of the scope, the scope brand and the savings.

High end optics don't depreciate very much, and all things being equal, I would "probably" buy a new quality Jap scope over a poorly treated, Euro scope most of the time. 

 

Here's the catch on buying used optics IMO.......

A lot of shooters don't know how to properly clean a scope.

They wipe them down with a nasty T shirt, smearing sand and dust particles all over the coatings and glass, ruining the "quality" of the optics they payed so much to obtain. I can't stand looking through a scope hat has a scratch on it!!!   

 

 

I blow mine off with compressed air first and wipe the lenses down with the Ziess brand moist, disposable cleaning patches.

I run Butler Creek caps on all my scopes to keep the junk out of there as much as possible as well.

Sorry if I have gotten off course........ 

 

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When I use compressed air, i lower the psi to 20 and if that doesn't do the trick I will gradually go up and stop raising the pressure at 40, I don't know why. As for the lens cloths, I take an objectve lense that I recovered from an old pair of bushnell binocs, and wipe it down with any new lens cloth that I am considering to use on my other optics, then caefully inspect the surface to see if it left any imperfestions, If it doesnt I will accept it. After each test I can clean the test lens with one of my previously accepted cloths, so it can be used again. I have rejected almost all lens cloths that come with optics, except I was very impressed with the cloth provided by steiner with their binocs, I use that one and one that I found at a camera store.

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I did the last two weeks buy two different Kahles 8x56 secondhanded scopes for less than 340 USD each from two different sources.

I think that is a great example of a second hand scope for relatively low money.

I own probably around 50-60 quality scopes, and I have only one that is bought new (Zeiss ZF6-24x72) all the others are second hand as I dont have the budget to play with new items.

 

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anthony,

                         when i ride a peddle powered bike i start with my right foot first then follow with my left foot and repeat as needed until the bike reaches the desired speed all the while trying to maintain my ballance. when i get a new bike i use a pair of shoes that i rode the old bike with until i get used to the new bike then i try some new shoes so they look better with the new bike. thanks for replying to my post your information was very helpful in relation to my topic. i just hope something i said was helpful to you as well. lol

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Anthony and I got a "little off course", in this thread with our lens cleaning regime.

Sorry........

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On the Milletts Illumination we have changed the brightness and we are looking at even going a little dimmer at the low end of the brightness scale for low light conditions.  We had it too bright on the 2nd and 3 gen units.   Millett is continuing to improve the TRS-1 to make the best scope for the money.   Note TRS-2 fixed 10 power will be out after the shot show in Jan.  all the same features in a fixed power scope.  

 

Good shooting

 

Steve

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Steve, how is the zoom dot coming along?

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