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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/27/2007 at 21:49
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Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper

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I've gotten so much information off opticstalk, I thought I'd try to give something back in some small way.  The t-bone scale and what Chris and the rest of the SWFA  folks morphed it into here are awesome.  In an effort to break it down a bit further for my own uses, I took the SWFA Scope Scale that Chris developed ( <sorry, can't hyperlink for some reason>  and attempted to provide a rough approximation of "just how much does quality cost you for a given scope?"  If this has already been done, forgive me for wasting bandwidth.

I took the Tbone number assigned by Chris to each of the scopes on the list, went on the SWFA website and priced that scope.  By dividing the price by the Tbone number, you get the 'Tbone $ Index'  (took me hours to come up with that name Wink) which is how much $$ each "Tbone point" costs you.  I must say that I was quite surprised by some of the results, not so much by others.  As expected, Conquest & 4200 ranked very well.  What surprised me is how well the Kahles KX ranked.  So much so that I'm now thinking I need to buy a Kahles.

My assumptions & criteria:
- Where an exact model was mentioned, I priced that out.  Where multiple choices of magnification existed, I generally chose as close to the 3-9 x 42 (which is what I personally prefer) as possible.   Because of this the numbers are a bit squishy, but the methodology was consistent, so the numbers should be scaled somewhat correctly.

- Where just brand was mentioned with no associated model, I tried to choose what appeared to be their mid-line scope.  For cheaper brands whose mid-line was not waterproof I went up the quality scale until I got to their waterproof ones.  As I remember, only one brand did not have a waterproof model.

- I broke Sightron out by SII, SIII, and SII Big Sky, just because they seem to have such a following on opticstalk.  Chris' scale only had sightron as a brand, so I went back to an earlier post by Koskin where he rated each of those scopes on the Tbone. 

- For the couple of scopes with a 0 rating, I gave them a .01 for division purposes (by that method, note that the "cheap" BSA Huntsman costs you a whopping $6995 to buy a single TBone point!  Not so cheap now, is it?)

caveat: this is obviously not perfect.  I could not and did not try to capture and rank the intangible pleasure one gets from using a finely engineered piece of gear or the frustrations of using a piece of junk.  Keep expectations managed within the spirit of the experiment.  This table is probably best for comparing scopes with the same T-bone number (e.g. 4200 vs. Conquest or Kahles KX vs. Swar American)

In the interest of space, I have not reproduced the entire list.  If there is anyone who would like to see the whole list I will post it or e-mail it to you.  Please let me know of any errors, especially representing Chris' or Koskin's Tbone ratings for various scopes.  I was tired and hopped up on caffeine when I did this. 

My lesson learned: "Sometimes cheap is expensive"

Hope this helps - enjoy!

Scope                                          Chris' T-Bone#            Tbone $ index

Tasco 3-9 x 40                                    1                           49.95
Elite 4200 2.5-10 x 40                        6                           66.66
Conquest 3-9 x 40                              6                           66.66 (at SWFA sale price)
Sightron II Big Sky 3-9x42                  5                           70.79
Sighron SII 3.5-10x42                         4                           81.23
Kahles 3-9x42 KX                                8                           82.36
Leupold 3.5-10x40 VXIII                     5                           93.99
Burris 3-10x40 Sig Select                    4                           94.98
Nikon 3-9x40 Buckmaster                   2                           104.97
Swarovski 3-10x42 American              8                           117.36
Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x44                   6                           149.99
Sightron SIII 3.5-10x44                      4                           174.98
Leupold VX-7 2.5-10x45                     7                           199.99
Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10x42                     10                          199.99
BSA Huntsman 3-9x44                        0                           6995
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Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice

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Fascinating.  I vote for posting the entire list.  Or if you dont feel like it email is fine
Think the Tasco 3-9x40 will sell out this month?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/28/2007 at 19:09
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Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper

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yeah, and nobody will be buying BSA's because they can't afford them!

Seriously, I was really surprised that, when you started comparing apples to apples, that in many cases you can get a MUCH higher quality optic pound for pound (point for point??) than you would think.  Kahles was the big shocker for me.  Sure a high-end scope may be more expensive, but I think that this shows several cases where you can get more VALUE for each of your hard-earned dollars.
No real revelations here - we do these computations in our heads all the time when we're drooling over a shiny new toy.  But I don't think I've seen it all put together in one place before.

Here's the complete list, as requested

Scope                                                  Chris' T-Bone#            Tbone $ index

Tasco 3-9x40 World Class Riflescope              1                           49.95
Bushnell 3-9x40 Elite 3200 Rifle Scope            3                           58.31
Leatherwood 3-9x40 Hunter Rifle Scope         1                           59.95
Bushnell 2.5-10x40 Elite 4200 Rifle Scope       6                           66.65
Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope                  6                          66.65
New Sightron 3-9x42 SII Big Sky Riflescope     5                          70.79
Super Sniper 10x42 30mm Rifle Scope             4                          74.98
Weaver 3-10x40 Grand Slam Rifle Scope         4                          79.98
New Sightron 3.5-10x42 SII Riflescope            4                          81.23
Kahles 3-9x42 Helia KX Riflescope                    8                          82.36
IOR 2.5-10x42 Hunting 30mm Rifle Scope         7                         83.56
Leupold 3.5-10x40 VX-III Riflescope                 5                         93.99
Burris 3-9x40 Fullfield II Rifle Scope                  2                         94.97
Leupold 3-9x40 Rifleman Riflescope                  2                         94.97
New Millett 3-9x44 Buck Gold Riflescope           2                         94.97
Simmons 2.8-10x44 Aetec Master Series          2                         94.97
Burris 3-10x40 Signature Select Rifle Scope     4                          94.98                        Meopta 3-10x50 Meostar R1                             6                         98.32
Nikon 3-9x40 Buckmaster                                 2                         104.97
Kahles 3-9x42 Helia CL Riflescope                    9                         106.55
Leupold 3-9x40 VX-I Riflescope                        2                          109.97
Leupold 3-9x40 VX-II Riflescope                       3                         109.98
Pentax 3-9x43 Lightseeker Rifle Scope            4                          109.98
Burris 2.5-10x44 Euro Diamond                        4                         114.98
Swarovski 3-10x42 American Riflescope           8                         117.36
Barska 3-9x42 Ridgeline Scope                        1                          119.95
 Meopta 3-9x42 Artemis 3000                          4                          124.98
Mueller 3-10x44 Tac II Riflescope                     2                          134.97
Kahles 2.5-10x50 Helia C 30mm Riflescope&
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