New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - tbone rating scale
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Check GunBroker.com for SWFA's No Reserve and No Minimum bid firearm auctions.

tbone rating scale

 Post Reply Post Reply   Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/10/2006 at 15:30
Tip69 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar
Tip Stick

Joined: September/27/2005
Location: Nebraska
Status: Offline
Points: 3483

Has there been any updates to Tbone's rating scale?  Looks like those Conquests you just put out there on The Sample List rate pretty high with Tbone!

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/11/2006 at 03:05
crispycritter View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: July/30/2004
Status: Offline
Points: 115

I think it's still about the same. I haven't heard of much changing in the world of rifle scopes. If I fell asleep and missed something, someone please bring me up to date.

 

I still think that post should have been a sticky. Still find myself hunting it down to see where a line of scopes fit in the scheme of things.

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/11/2006 at 14:05
koshkin View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Dark Lord of Optics

Joined: June/15/2004
Location: United States
Status: Online
Points: 10981
Tbone Rating Scale taken from the original thread (taken from Chris's post, I think):

   10 - Zeiss VM/V, Swarovski PH, Schmidt & Bender

    9  - Swarovski PH, Swarovski A-Line, Schmidt & Bender

    8  - Swarovski A-Line, Kahles, IOR

    7  - Zeiss Conquest, Kahles, Elite 4200, IOR, Leupold LPS

    6  - Leupold VX III, Weaver Grand Slam, Nikon Monarch, Bushnell Elite 4200, Burris Euro & Black Diamond,

    5  - Leupold Vari-X III, Weaver Grand Slam, Nikon Monarch, Burris Signature Select

    4  - Burris Fullfield II, Bushnell Elite 3200, Simmons AETEC, Leupold VX-II, Nikon Buckmaster

    3  - Simmons, Redfield, Rifleman, Leupold VX-I, Nikon Buckmaster

    2  - Simmons, BSA, Tasco

    1  - BSA, Tasco


Here is my take on it with some minor additions and alterations that reflect my personal pont of view:

   10 - Zeiss VM/V, Swarovski PH, Schmidt & Bender, US Optics

    9  - Swarovski PH, Swarovski A-Line, Schmidt & Bender

    8  - Swarovski A-Line, Kahles, IOR (35mm line)

    7  - Zeiss Conquest, Kahles, Elite 4200, IOR (30mm line), Leupold LPS, Burris Black Diamond, Meopta Meostar

    6  - Leupy VX III, Weaver GS, Nikon Monarch, Bushnell Elite 4200, Burris SigSelect, Burris Euro & Black Diamond, SIghtron S2/S3,                         Trijicon Accupoint

    5  - Weaver GS, Nikon Monarch, Sightron S2, Mueller Tac II, Millet TRS

    4  - Burris Fullfield II, Bushnell Elite 3200, Simmons AETEC, Leupold VX-II, Nikon Buckmaster, Millet TRS/Gold, Mueller

    3  - Simmons, Redfield, Rifleman, Leupold VX-I, Mueller, Elite 3200, Leupoldd VX-II, Swift Premier, Weaver V-series

    2  - Simmons, BSA, Tasco

    1  - BSA, Tasco



Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/11/2006 at 15:12
mwyates View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: June/15/2004
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 1196

The MWBone ratings scale from scopes I have actually bought and used

 

10.  Kahles CL

9.  Swarovski A-Line

8.  Leupold VX L

7.5  Leupold FX III

7.  Zeiss Conquest, Leupold VX III, Burris Black Diamond,

6.  Burris Signature

5.  Burris Euro Diamond, Nikon Monarch

4.  Burris FF II

3.  Some Kind of Simmons; don't remember which

2 & 1   Never bought a BSA or Tasco

 

The Kahles CL, a 3-9X42 is significantly better than the Swaro 3-9X36 and cost less when I bought it.  I'm anxious to try one of the new 2-7X36 CL's.

 

 

 

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/11/2006 at 18:39
Tip69 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar
Tip Stick

Joined: September/27/2005
Location: Nebraska
Status: Offline
Points: 3483
ok....can you shed some light on the sample list......why are there so many Conquest's (and others) that have been "factory refurb'd"   were there problems with them?  That seems like a lot of problems....if they didn't have problems, why were they refurbished?  Why would you return a good scope?  Can't figure it out.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/11/2006 at 18:42
Trinidad View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: May/04/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1555

The Zeiss Conquest has not proven to be a durable scope with many failure reports contributed to its name.

I would say pass on the Zeiss Conquest and go with Kahles.

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/11/2006 at 20:34
Roy Finn View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Steiner Junkie

Joined: April/05/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4856
I'm surprised that the Leupy VX-L was so far ahead of a Zeiss Conquest on the MWBone scale.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/11/2006 at 20:41
koshkin View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Dark Lord of Optics

Joined: June/15/2004
Location: United States
Status: Online
Points: 10981
Yeah, that was a little bit surprising.  I've spent very little time with VX-L, so I am not entirely sure where it fits.  To me, it seemed a little better than VX-III, so I'd be inclined to place it as about equal to Elite 4200, LPS, Black Diamond, etc.

ILya
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/11/2006 at 21:30
mwyates View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: June/15/2004
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 1196

The VX L was not so far ahead.  I just put the FX III in at 7.5.  I could have put the FX III and the VX L at the same level.  I actually think the image quality of the FX III (6X) might be a bit better than the VX L; there are advantages both ways.  Actually, I could be happy with anything ranked 6-10, and if I'd ever used an Elite 4200 or a Weaver Grand Slam, they'd probably rank in there, too.  I didn't see any great differences until I got to the Kahles CL, which is a good step above everything else I've had.  The Burris FF II, Euro Diamond and  Nikon Mornarch are a step below. 

 

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/12/2006 at 08:30
Roy Finn View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Steiner Junkie

Joined: April/05/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4856

You would have needed a new ranking for the 4200, 10.5!!!

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/12/2006 at 11:48
ceylonc View Drop Down
Optics Journeyman
Optics Journeyman


Joined: September/13/2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 514
Just my opinion , but my eyes tell me that the Kahles CL in both 50mm & 52mm objective (don't know about the 42mm) qualifies just under Zeiss VM/V, S&B, and US Optics.  Based on my experience, I believe the CL is just a tad better than both the Swaro PH and AH lines with regard to brightness and equal from a clarity standpoint.  When you look at the CL from a cost & value standpoint, there isn't a better scope out there!  It totally boggles my mind that folks continue to spend $1,000+ for a Leupold VX-L or FX III when they can get a CL for LESS and get a vastly superior product.  I guess different strokes for different folks...
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/30/2006 at 22:33
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7765

Kahles is a sleeper scope, most people have nver heard of them......even though they have been making scopes since 1898.

 

Read their history here

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/01/2006 at 02:29
Okiecocker View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: October/25/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 16
Chris,

Have you noticed that the Kahles just don't have that "pop" to them, in terms of the brightness of most of the other big name scopes... at least during the day? Almost as if they have a tint, the binoculars are the same way too... Or is it just my eyes? Now   in low light, it's a whole other ball game as these things are Bright as can be.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/01/2006 at 07:28
jonbravado View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: October/05/2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1131

My 2 Cents -

 

my buddie just purchased a 56mm Kahles, 30mm tube, the other day - not sure what model.

 

but it is brighter than any zeiss or swaro i have ever looked through.  Not much difference in the daytime though, IMO.

 

it WAS around 1300 bucks, but DAMN is it a fine riflescope - worth a mention.

 

J

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/01/2006 at 07:51
Dolphin View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master


Joined: October/05/2006
Location: North Carolina
Status: Offline
Points: 1795
I agree with Finn.  And would add the Sightron SII.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/01/2006 at 10:02
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7765

Originally posted by Okiecocker Okiecocker wrote:

Chris,

Have you noticed that the Kahles just don't have that "pop" to them, in terms of the brightness of most of the other big name scopes... at least during the day? Almost as if they have a tint, the binoculars are the same way too... Or is it just my eyes? Now   in low light, it's a whole other ball game as these things are Bright as can be.

 

Are you using their latest model?  The ones I use are noticeably better day or night.

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/01/2006 at 10:15
Okiecocker View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: October/25/2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 16
Yep, it's a brand new CL 4-12x52 MZ.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/01/2006 at 10:21
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7765

Everyones eye's are different, could have to do with how each of them was focused to your eye, etc.  If you would like to continue discussing it,  start a new thread so we don't continue to hi-jack this thread.

 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Similar Threads: "tbone rating scale"
Subject Author Forum Replies Last Post
Tbone scale and SS army_eod Rifle Scopes 0 3/24/2007 1:40:21 PM
2011 riflescope rating scale cowski Rifle Scopes 3
2010 Riflescope Rating Scale onfinal Rifle Scopes 8
2010 Riflescope Rating Scale? onfinal Rifle Scopes 11
Scope rating scale koshkin Rifle Scopes 19 10/30/2007 10:29:04 AM
Binocular Rating Scale abailey54 Binoculars 1
2009 Riflescope Rating Scale SamC Rifle Scopes 7
2009 SWFA Riflescope Rating Scale SamC Rifle Scopes 3
SWFA Ratings Scale? lewwetzel Rifle Scopes 2
SWFA Ratings Scale? onfinal Spotting Scopes 2


This page was generated in 0.422 seconds.