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The much maligned - and right so - "bay window review.  The scope is mounted but not yet used as intended, first thoughts:

1.  Glass is quite good.  I haven't played with it in various lighting conditions, but in adequate light, it is very sharp, very clear, very bright.
2.  There an ever-so-slight tunneling from, according to the power scale, 3 to about 3.5.  It is very, very slight, but the tube does become less visible above 3.5. (I hate tunneling, and this is so slight it won't be an issue for me.)
3.  With the ARD on, there is some ghosting around the very edges of the image, it is more pronounced at lower powers.  It isn't terrible, but it is visible at/around 3X.
4.  Clicks are well spaced and quite distinct.  Strangely, there is a slightly different sound in one direction than the other, but it isn't consequential, I just noticed.
5.  Illumination is very good.  I really like that the important portion of the reticle is fully and evenly illuminated.  And the stops between settings are appreciated.
6.  Parallax is easy to adjust, as is power; neither is too stiff or too easy.
7.  The scope weighs less than I expected.  I have grown accustomed to my Vortex gen2 3-18, and this one is rather svelte by comparison.
8.  The included caps are much better than the old Premier caps, there are no gaps as there were.
9.  Grasping surfaces are beautifully milled, nothing grabs, nothing snags.  
10.  All in all, I really like the scope, nothing yet seems to be a problem area or a compromise.

More to follow.


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I think you will like it even more once you get to spend some time with it.

As I have previously said: of all the tactical scopes I have seen to date, I think Tangent Theta is at the top of the pyramid.  Spectacular optics and the best turrets I have seen yet.

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I'm still a EREK guy, but we'll see.
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Congrats...
Just curious....did you consider any other scopes, or did you simply want to own a Tangent Theta?

If you DID consider other scopes at time of selection, what were they?

Did you look at a Schmidt & Bender PM-II 4x16x42?

Just curious....nice review!
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This was a Tangent Theta purchase, not a "scope" purchase.  I had a Premier Heritage, one of the very first, and loved the scope but hated that it was completely unprotected in terms of warranty and support. (And it has a gen2 mil dot rather than a gen2XR, else the outcome might differ.)

I have owned and/or used most of the top tier stuff, but had no experience with the TT scopes. A few here like them with enthusiasm, and those that do have earned my respect in calling out good tactical riflescopes - so it was an obvious choice.

I needed a new scope, I had a Premier that I loved but hated, and the Tangent Theta's were calling my name.  I didn't look at anything else. And the great folks at SWFA offered a very fiar trade value on the Premier, which helped seal the deal. (And they had exactly the TT in stock that I wanted, that too helps!)

As for S&B PM2, I like them; however, I often have to shoot lefty, and their illumination controls are in the worst possible spot for a lefty shooter.  I love the minimum distance, I hate the location of that damned 4th turret on the left side of the tube.

More to follow, like a proper range report on the TT.
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As a refined and redefined descendant of the Premier scopes I can only imagine it really is top of the line. I say imagine 'cause not having as much of a need for one I let a 3-15 Heritage and a 3-15 LT go over the years. Other scopes are adequate and other priorities exist.
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Sorry I'm late. 

Beautiful weaponry. 
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You mentioned the Hensoldt 3-12x56 as yardstick for this TT scope- what do you think? (I am considering picking up a Hensoldt, so I'm interested in that comparison). 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

.300 Win Mag.


Very nice!  Curious on the barrel length and total weight.
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Originally posted by graywolf.260 graywolf.260 wrote:

You mentioned the Hensoldt 3-12x56 as yardstick for this TT scope- what do you think? (I am considering picking up a Hensoldt, so I'm interested in that comparison). 

"Hensoldt is a brand of Airbus Defense & Space, a worldwide leader in global security solutions working to support the people protecting the world. In a world of evolving threats and opportunities, Hensoldt thrives to create innovation, technology advanced optical solutions meeting the needs of its customers worldwide.

A former military contract division of Zeiss Sport Optics, the two entities split paths"

If you can find a Zeiss Hensoldt, you will be OK.  The Airbus stuff I will not own.  I have a 6-24x72 Zeiss Hensoldt and it is an amazing scope.  Every evaluative measure of optics for this scope gets a "Superior".  The mechanicals are excellent, though it is a bit limited on adjustment range (200 cm total, approximately 20 mils).  I solved that with an Ivey adjustable 50mil scope mount.  

Hensoldt has recently broken off from Airbus is now its "own" label.  I have not encountered one of their new products since their separation from Airbus.  I hope they regain the expertise and excellence Hensoldt commanded when a part of Zeiss.  

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Originally posted by Boomholzer Boomholzer wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

.300 Win Mag.


Very nice!  Curious on the barrel length and total weight.


Barrel length is 24", Bartlein #3 contour. Total weight is 11lbs, 12 oz.
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On vacation, out of pocket for a bit. I will say:
1. I love my Hensoldt, best eye box I have ever used, great turrets, perfect tracking inside about 800 yards.
2. With the questionable service future of the brand, I would not recommend Hensoldt to anyone right now.


They are exceptional scopes, as you would expect of Zeiss.

They were serviced for a bit by Hudisco, that ended, not sure who to call now if there is a problem. Hudisco was not a good service provider.

(I say inside 800 yards because that is as far as this scope - in it's 6 mil base - has gone. I can assume it is perfect to both limits, but don't know that to be true. Inside 800, I know.)

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Well I took the leap anyway and bought a ZF 3-12x56 FF mildot from a reputable dealer for a pretty good price. Since Hensoldt is back to being independent, I feel more confident in service if ever needed. I don't want to hijack the thread more than I have already so I'll start a new one when the scope comes in to report.
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Originally posted by graywolf.260 graywolf.260 wrote:

Well I took the leap anyway and bought a ZF 3-12x56 FF mildot from a reputable dealer for a pretty good price. Since Hensoldt is back to being independent, I feel more confident in service if ever needed. I don't want to hijack the thread more than I have already so I'll start a new one when the scope comes in to report.

Looking forward to your thoughts.  I hope the results are much better than recent "encounters" with Airbus Hensoldt.



SO... are you finished with that review, yet???

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Just a quick update, the Hensoldt 3-12x56 FF scope came in, and it is labeled on the bottom with Airbus/made in Germany, so it is of that vintage. However a prelim once-over show the scope to appear to be flawless, no issues like the those reported with the 6-24x72. I was also told that the scopes were made in the same factory while Airbus owned the company, and that Hensoldt (independent again) is now handling the warranty for these scopes.  


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Looking forward to an update.

Have an opportunity to pick up a demo TT 3-15X that is the 30mm tube model or a used Premier Heritage 3-15x.  Latter is confirmed to be under warranty by Tangent Theta.
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The answer, as usual, is "it depends."

The TT at a good price is a no brainer, but it doesn't have lots of internal elevation if that is the need.  The Premier Heritage was among my favorite scopes of all time, it did everything very well.  If you consider the PH, I'd run the elevation turret and check the clicks.  The original had very, very little spacing between clicks and you almost always overshoot (which isn't bad, and is actually how most people run their Leupolds - due to bounceback.) Premier did a fix, but everyone didn't do it.

If you have a written document confirming TT will honor the PH warranty, that would be a very good choice, assuming both have the same reticle - or definitely pick the one with the Gen2 XR.

How's that for helpful!

I've used the Premier version of the 30mm and loved it, took it to Africa with great results.  Both are awesome.  As is the new TT 34mm 3-15.  
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Thanks RC for the quick reply.  Internal elevation is a question.  I'm thinking ahead for a 224 Valkyrie build next month.

Win win either way.
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What is meant by "working adjustment"?  The 30mm TT shows 18 mrad of adjustment and 12 mrad of working adjustment.

Assuming a 20 MOA rail, the 30mm TT 3-15x50 should be able to get out to 1000 yards with the 224 Valkyrie, which requires 9.9 mrad of elevation.  This assumes a 100 yard zero.

If my math is correct, I still should have some additional elevation adjustment.

Am I missing something?
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There is a total of 18 mrad available, but once you set your zero-stop, you have two turns, 6 mard each.  In a 20 MOA mount, I usually get the full two turns, but it can depend on your rifle and how everything lines-up.

12 mrad with most calibers gets me about as far as I am willing to shoot.

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Appreciate the clarification.  Checked the ballistics tables on the 6.5G and 6.5CM and the TT will work for these calibers as well.
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Had more time on the scope this weekend, really, really like it.  The glass is great edge-to-edge, and the parallax seems very forgiving in real world conditions.

Illumination works great, reticle is probably my favorite (Gen2 XR) and the damned thing ain't bad at all in low light.

I will try to get a through-the scope pic (Koshin's favorite) with the white phos night vision clip-on.  I wouldn't want to identify a target at 800 yards with it, but taking a shot on game inside 300 or so is no big deal.
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One of the very under-rated features of this scope is how much depth of field it has.  For general purpose use, you can virtually ignore the parallax knob and have reasonable focus across the board.

When you really want to go precise, you mess with the knob to dial out parallax.

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Having endlessly fiddled with parallax knobs, that is a huge advantage.
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That was always one of the standout features of the Premier riflescopes and on higher end Leicas (one of the reasons I like them) and one of the reasons I finally sold my March 3-24x42 that I really liked otherwise.  I just spent too much time messing with the side focus when I was using March.

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