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tahqua
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Posted: February/18/2008 at 15:58 |
I have recently received some Talley 30mm QD and Warne 30mm Ruger #1 rings. I also just mounted a pair of Warne rings on a Remington for a friend. All were bought from SWFA without a hitch, good service as usual.
I noticed with my friends Warnes that they were quite robust and solid. They are made using powdered metallurgy and this is plenty strong. The rings use an insert to engage the cross slot in the bases. This insert is precision ground and appears to be from bar stock. The fit is quite good between both the ring and the base cross slot.
The Ruger rings are of similar design with an insert in the bottom of the rings. The fit, is again, very good. This is both in the bottom of the ring and in the Ruger base.
The Talley's, of which I already have several sets, are machined of bar stock. The rings do not utilize an insert as the whole ring base fit's into the base cross slot. The quality of these rings is excellent, there are no tooling marks or over runs.
There has been much discussion at O.T. regarding both companies products. I believe the Warnes to be a very good mount and very cost effective. I also believe the Talley to be excellent due to the large clamping area falling completely between the shoulders on the bases. This is much larger than the cross slots on the Warnes.
Though I'm not a huge fan of powdered metallurgy in gun parts you can be assured that high quality products like Warnes are far more than capable of taking the abuse of recoil. I see carbide inserts made in this method take far more abuse in the cutting of hardened tool steel in dies.
The fact that the Warne levers can be adjusted after tightening is also a bonus. I have never had a problem with the Talley's which can't be, though. Once I set the lever position it's done for good. I prefer mine facing toward one another parallel to the bore axis, BTW.
When I get them zeroed in I'll report back with re-zeroing. I already know the Talley's to be spot on. I am sure the Warnes will be, also.
I definitely prefer the Talley's overall because of the material and the full width cross slot/ring interface. I will continue to choose Warnes where guns and mounts for Talley's aren't available. I have used many combinations on my hunting guns through the years and these two are the best. I will continue to replace my Redfield and Weaver styles with these two brands.
Note that this excludes the "tacticool" rails. These are very durable but I don't like one piece bases on my hunting sticks. Edited by tahqua - February/18/2008 at 15:58 |
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cheaptrick
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Excellent review, Sir!!
Thank you!
Warnes have really taken over in my area.
Talley mounts are generally on the higher end rifle/scope combos.
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tahqua
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Thank you, Mark
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koshkin
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Good review, tahqua. I have very little hands on experiene with Talley products, but they seem to be of very good quality. I have switched just about all of my rings/mounts to Weaver/Picatinny type for simpler logistics, so I will not be buying Talley rings any time soon. Warne rings have always worked well for me.
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tahqua
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Thanks, ILya.
I will also be giving the Warne Tactical a try. They are reasonably priced and should work well on a rail.
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Texas
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Tahqua, per your advise I will be mounting a Kahles CS MultiZero 3-12x56 on a custom Rem 700 280AI this weekend. It was planned to be a CL 4-12x52, but as luck would have it and as the price of Kahles scopes is so competitive right now I felt it was the right time to buy more new optics - which led to new rifles to put under the scopes. The upshot is I will be mounting and boresighting three new Kahles scopes in Talley mounts this weekend.
Would you mind elucidating on techniques you use when mounting scopes using Talley Fixed rings? The other two rifles are A-Bolts, a Custom Trophy-model 300 Win Mag that gets the CL and a Grade 3 338 Win Mag that gets a CB 3-12x56, both with octagonal barrels.
All and any advice will be appreciated, as I have never used Talley mounts and rings before.
Tom
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tahqua
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I can tell you this; follow the directions to a T. Make sure that the bottom screws are seated and there is no gap on the bottom of the vertical split. Don't worry if you cannot adjust the scope after the bottom screws are seated, either. If the rings are too tight to adjust the eye relief or squaring up the reticles, pry them open a bit from the top with a brass screw driver. This will not hurt the rings at all and you will not mar the finish.
If you have a problem, PM me and I will set you up with a brass wedge to facilitate this. You can use a steel screw driver, just don't slip or you can scratch some metal. |
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RifleDude
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Good review and advice, Doug! I agree 100% with your comments. I have rings from both manufacturers and I like them both. I prefer the Talleys because they are more nicely machined and finished, they are sleeker looking, and also because of the way they fit into the bases, as you mentioned. On their QD models, I do wish Talley would come up with a lever design that allowed for repositioning after tightening like Warne does, but I like the more slender, more elegant looking shape of the Talley levers better though.
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Texas
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Thanks for the advice, gentlemen, I know it will be helpful. By the way, I have examined the Warne and Talley set-ups. I like the Talley arrangement best, and they sure are purty!
I even got the Browning-buckmarked Talley high-gloss 1" rings and bases for the 300winmag.
Tom
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brodeur272
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I like the review. Have thought about converting to Talleys from the Warnes, but budget and logistics make it simpler to keep the Warnes. Thanks for your input! |
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outlook
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I use the QD Warnes on all my black rifles as they are about bullet proof and really fit the rails well. Excellent return to zero and you just finger tighten them down, give the lever a light rap with a non marring mallet and they are there to stay. I have one set of of Talleys on a custom single shot and the workmanship is excellent. My only gripe with them is the split top that just doesn't look as nice as a Control or S&K setup on a classic bolt or single shot rifle. These are also about bullt proof rings and have the added advantage of quite a bit of built in windage adjustment while being a lot stronger than a conventional turn-in type mount. Just ordered the one piece lightweight Talley setup for the new Marlin XLS I have coming
(270 sorry). Same base as a M-70 for reference. Shoul keep the total rig quite light.
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