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A person I work with told me about his recent hunting trip to Kentucky.  New lease, highly populated with deer, excellent hunting ground.  1st day of a two day hunt, had been in the woods about 30 minutes when a very large 8-point buck walked out and stood less than 100 yards from him.  He raised his rifle and the 3-12 BSA Catseye scope lenses were COMPLETELY fogged, inside and out.  The deer tormented him for about 45 minutes, grazing in front of him while he checked every few seconds to see if he could make anything out or at least see the crosshairs enough to try to make a shot.  FAIL.  
The next day, after keeping the scope wrapped up inside with him overnight, he could only get a sight picture on 4x.  He ended up shooting a much smaller buck, just glad he was able to see the crosshairs through the haze and sight in on the deer at about 50 yards.  He said he would have probably not been able to take a shot had it been 10 yards further away.  
He said from now on he would listen to me about what scopes to consider for purchase...
Possibly the biggest deer he ever had an opportunity to take a shot at he could not take a shot at because of poor workmanship.  Good thing to think about next time you consider a scope purchase... monster buck, cold day, NO SHOT...
Some people travel hundreds and thousands of miles, spend money on hotels, food, all sorts of gear, buy a good quality rifle, then spend $80.00 on an inferior optic because they can't "justify" buying a good scope.  "THEY" say "you get what you pay for"... I would offer that that is an erroneous statement...

I have been a proponent of "cheaper" scopes.  However, I always caveat it with a statement that you have to be willing to spend time with it, make sure it is adequate for your purposes, be willing to spend some time getting it replaced if it doesn't perform.  The scope above was mounted, zeroed and taken deer hunting, causing the "miss of a lifetime"...  Sad tale...
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  "I have been a proponent of "cheaper" scopes.  However, I always caveat it with a statement that you have to be willing to spend time with it, make sure it is adequate for your purposes, be willing to spend some time getting it replaced if it doesn't perform."
 
  All that and still you never know when .............................................


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if not the counter sniper then something for eXplore optics line with their "glass etched wired mil-dot reticle".... i hear their  "Parallax Stable"    Bow  
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I know that sucked, and I feel for him...but as they say, experience is the best teacher.
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Managing your pain with decent scopes can be great. It is a medication that acts as a narcotic to dull moderate to severe pain experienced when using cheap scopes. The best part about this medication, though, is that it has a time release formula. Basically, this prevents you from experiencing the surges of pain that occur each time you use cheap scopes.   This is why decent scopes are often prescribed for short or long term pain management.





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I agree 100% with the op, but I would add poorly made scopes instead of just cheap. For example the Weaver V3 is a fantastic scope at well under $200. Vortex Vipers can also be had under $200. I missed a shot opportunity a couple of years ago because my new Elite 4200 with Rainguard was completely fogged. Another 4200 had a loose reticle. I have a Minox ZA 5 in route for repair that was defective out of the box and I had a Trijicon Accupoint spill it's guts at the range. The probability of a cheap scope failing are much higher, but a more expensive scope is no guarantee either. I'm slowly converting a hunting friend of mine from BSA to pretty much anything else. JMHO
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

A person I work with told me about his recent hunting trip to Kentucky.  New lease, highly populated with deer, excellent hunting ground.  1st day of a two day hunt, had been in the woods about 30 minutes when a very large 8-point buck walked out and stood less than 100 yards from him.  He raised his rifle and the 3-12 BSA Catseye scope lenses were COMPLETELY fogged, inside and out.  The deer tormented him for about 45 minutes, grazing in front of him while he checked every few seconds to see if he could make anything out or at least see the crosshairs enough to try to make a shot.  FAIL.  
The next day, after keeping the scope wrapped up inside with him overnight, he could only get a sight picture on 4x.  He ended up shooting a much smaller buck, just glad he was able to see the crosshairs through the haze and sight in on the deer at about 50 yards.  He said he would have probably not been able to take a shot had it been 10 yards further away.  
He said from now on he would listen to me about what scopes to consider for purchase...
Possibly the biggest deer he ever had an opportunity to take a shot at he could not take a shot at because of poor workmanship.  Good thing to think about next time you consider a scope purchase... monster buck, cold day, NO SHOT...
Some people travel hundreds and thousands of miles, spend money on hotels, food, all sorts of gear, buy a good quality rifle, then spend $80.00 on an inferior optic because they can't "justify" buying a good scope.  "THEY" say "you get what you pay for"... I would offer that that is an erroneous statement...

I have been a proponent of "cheaper" scopes.  However, I always caveat it with a statement that you have to be willing to spend time with it, make sure it is adequate for your purposes, be willing to spend some time getting it replaced if it doesn't perform.  The scope above was mounted, zeroed and taken deer hunting, causing the "miss of a lifetime"...  Sad tale...


+100. Guess those Wally World bubble pack specials won't do it after all (regardless of what the sales associates say)! LOL.

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Given jetwrnch's luck with scopes in general, I'm tempted to send him all my main hunting scopes to use for a few weeks now that hunting season is over.  If anyone can uncover some hidden gremlins lingering in scopes, it's him!  If they pass that test, I'll have total confidence I'm not going to get bit by Murphy's Law in the unforeseen future when that buck of a lifetime steps out.

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Scope gremlins!

Another great OT group name, Ted!
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I read an article a few years ago in one of the gun rags. The article interviewed several guides in the Western states. One thing that I remembered from that article was that several guides stated the same thing. Clients would show up with a $1500 stick topped with a $100 scope. They stated it should be just the opposite...cheap(er) rifle topped with high-quality glass.
 
I feel for your buddy. I was fortunate enough to learn my lesson on the range years ago, but it could've just as easily happened in the woods. When I was ALOT younger, I used to top my rifles with the $40 Bushnell Sportview scopes. I had an old Rem 742 chambered in 30-06 that turned two of them to mush internally in a very short order, lesson learned.
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It's funny because I find the same to be true of bullets. A guy will spend $500 traveling, and getting room, and board for his hunt, or pay an outfitter $2000 to shoot the trophy of a lifetime, and will shoot bargain basement ammo, because he's too cheap to spend $1 for a good bullet to quickly take down his trophy. Or they'll not buy xxx caliber gun because it costs them too much in ammo to shoot it the 5 shots a year they actually take it out of the safe for. I don't understand any of it.

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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

It's funny because I find the same to be true of bullets. A guy will spend $500 traveling, and getting room, and board for his hunt, or pay an outfitter $2000 to shoot the trophy of a lifetime, and will shoot bargain basement ammo, because he's too cheap to spend $1 for a good bullet to quickly take down his trophy. Or they'll not buy xxx caliber gun because it costs them too much in ammo to shoot it the 5 shots a year they actually take it out of the safe for. I don't understand any of it.

Another excellent point.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

It's funny because I find the same to be true of bullets. A guy will spend $500 traveling, and getting room, and board for his hunt, or pay an outfitter $2000 to shoot the trophy of a lifetime, and will shoot bargain basement ammo, because he's too cheap to spend $1 for a good bullet to quickly take down his trophy. Or they'll not buy xxx caliber gun because it costs them too much in ammo to shoot it the 5 shots a year they actually take it out of the safe for. I don't understand any of it.

 
I know a lot of these people!  and those who don't wanna waste a shot to check zero at the beginning of the season cause they dont' wanna buy another box of ammo this year!
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Originally posted by Commando_Tactical Commando_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

It's funny because I find the same to be true of bullets. A guy will spend $500 traveling, and getting room, and board for his hunt, or pay an outfitter $2000 to shoot the trophy of a lifetime, and will shoot bargain basement ammo, because he's too cheap to spend $1 for a good bullet to quickly take down his trophy. Or they'll not buy xxx caliber gun because it costs them too much in ammo to shoot it the 5 shots a year they actually take it out of the safe for. I don't understand any of it.

 
I know a lot of these people!  and those who don't wanna waste a shot to check zero at the beginning of the season cause they dont' wanna buy another box of ammo this year!
 
Yes, one shot to zero and 8 shots to bring the animal down...reminds me of somebody I know....
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Originally posted by Commando_Tactical Commando_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

It's funny because I find the same to be true of bullets. A guy will spend $500 traveling, and getting room, and board for his hunt, or pay an outfitter $2000 to shoot the trophy of a lifetime, and will shoot bargain basement ammo, because he's too cheap to spend $1 for a good bullet to quickly take down his trophy. Or they'll not buy xxx caliber gun because it costs them too much in ammo to shoot it the 5 shots a year they actually take it out of the safe for. I don't understand any of it.

 
I know a lot of these people!  and those who don't wanna waste a shot to check zero at the beginning of the season cause they dont' wanna buy another box of ammo this year!
 
Yes, one shot to zero and 8 shots to bring the animal down...reminds me of somebody I know....
Excellent  LOL
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I had a similar experience with a crappy scope: borrowed a rifle for "primitive weapon" season in Mississippi: handi rifle 45/70 with a Tasco Silver Antler.  Zeroed the scope at 9X.  

I had a nice buck, may 80 yards out, scope set on 3X, clean miss.  The buck ran as I tried to load another round.

When I got back to camp and played it out over again (and over and over and over), I looked at the scope and noticed when the power changed, so too did the point of impact.  A nice deer walked away that day so that I could learn to never, ever use a Tasco Silver Antler (and learn to check zero at low and high power.)
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A buddy of mine's son on an elk hunt I went on a few years ago missed a shot opportunity at a bull because his scope fogged up and he couldn't see through it at all.  I don't remember the brand of scope, but it was one of the cheap Wally World specials that costs less than the gas used to get to the store.
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I happens along with broke/frozen firing pins, dud ammo etc. It's all part of hunting and happens with the best of mechanical items as well as the worst although maybe with more or less frequency. There's a million hunting stories out there and now your buddy has his very own. It just wasn't that deer's day to die.
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Everyone has a story like this.  Buddy bought a rifle/scope combo will a simmons scope.  Tracked well, POI never moved through the mag range, but he could not see deer though the thing after the sun went down.  We had been hunting and the deer were not moving till dusk.  Other 3 in the party could see the deer and filled tags.  When we got home, a new scope was purchased, from SWFA I might add.
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I have a decent scope (will not mention the brand for fear of victimization). A nice kudu showed itself briefly, but I forgot to zoom out and could not find it in the narrow field of few. It is still eating grass and bush out there somewhere. Luckily was not a trophy. So yes, crap happens even with good scopes.
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Well, just to be the opposite here, I've killed my biggest two bucks with a Tasco that was $30 from Walmart a few years ago. Now that being said, am I going to go out and buy a Tasco for all of my guns? No. I'm a fan of quality optics. I like good tracking, ability to hold up, and good glass. However, in my experience cheap scopes aren't near as bad as guys online make them out to be. I can honestly say that 98% of my hunting buddies use scopes under $100 and I have a large group of guys I hunt with. Very rarely have any of them had problems. Sure one or two have, but the majority of them work just fine.

The reason I had that scope the first time was it was all I could afford for a cheap gun so I got it. I sighted it in and took it hunting, and I killed my first buck with it.

The second time a friend wanted to use a muzzle loader, so I loaned them my other one with a nicer scope, and I took this old thing out. I didn't expect to see a huge buck, but one came out to me. I took the shot and it hit just where I aimed, just like it had when I shot it at a target.

The only scope I've ever had fail on me was a Leupold VX-I. It failed twice on me, but luckily it wasn't on a hunt. The first time after each shot it looked like the picture on the inside was shaking. The second time it quit holding zero and would move the poi every could of shots. The funny thing was that 2 other friends bought VX-I's also and both of them had problems too. One of them put it on a rifle and it wouldn't hold zero right out of the box. He traded it off for a .22 rifle after getting it fixed. The other friend got it used on a muzzle loader. It was about 7 years old or so when he got it. He used it for one year, and the next year he went to sight it in and it shot great still. A few days later he shot it and it was way off target. He tried to dial it back in and it was moving with every shot. He sold it to me really cheap as he was tired of dealing with it and didn't like it at all. The same buddy uses a Simmons Blazer and loves it. I will also say the one I had didn't track well at all.

So I've used several cheap scopes, but none have failed me. The Tasco above has surprisingly good glass as does a Simmons I have. Both are very clear during the day, and pretty good in low light. Are they as good as a Zeiss? Well, no. However, who would expect them to be. They will allow you to hunt until legal hunting hours ends though. So I see no reason for them to work during the middle of the night. The 2 Tasco's and 2 Simmons and 1 Bushnell cheapo I've had have all held zero just fine. Now I sold one of the Tasco's and one of the Simmons, but I still have the rest. The glass in the Bushnell was pretty disappointing, but the Simmons and Tasco both had decent glass. The biggest thing I've found to be bad in cheap scopes is the adjustments. In the Tasco's they adjusted fairly close, but I never did a box test. One I only sighted in and used for a month or so just to get me by while my Leupold was in for repair. The Simmons, one of them tracks very well. The other one, tracked horribly. One click would sometimes move it 3/4" at 100 yards. I didn't do a box test, but I'm sure it wasn't repeatable. That being said, once it was sighted in it stayed zeroed and this is all most hunters care about. The Bushnell is by far the worst cheap scope I've owned and I only own it as it was on a gun when I purchased it. The adjustments on it aren't too far off, but you have to bang on the scope or shoot a few shots to get the adjustments to take. This is where I've found cheap scopes to suffer. However, not all of them have been bad here either. For 90% of the hunters they sight them in and don't care how accurate the adjustments are and then they just want them to hold zero. So this works fine. I will also mention I was at the range a month or so ago and there was a guy there with a VX-III and he was having the same problem. It didn't track anywhere close to accurately.
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My biggest buck was with a $80 Simmons 1x scope on my muzzleloader.  Been using it since 1996 and it never looses zero just keeps on a trucking. 




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