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I am looking to purchase a tactical scope for my .308 DMPS SASS.
Looking to shoot between 300 out to 1000 yards.  I would like a variable powered, and keep my budget under $1K...
 
I've looked at Burris XTR 3-12x50, Leupold Mark 4 4-14x50.
 
Any other suggestions?  Or should I stick with one of those??
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If this is the route you want to take scope wise the IOR 4-14 50  with MP-8 reticle is a great scope. There is also the Bushnell 6500 line as well.

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Would you take another route??  If so, please suggest!  I'm quite new to optics...
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What is the intended application? I would use a lower power range on that since it is a combat rifle. I have seen them with the larger scopes though, and being 308 it can certainly reach out there, although it's not primarily a long distance weapon. You can certainly put the money into it for that purpose though.
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I would strongly consider IOR 2.5-10x42 with FFP reticle and mil-based knobs.  If you are new to optics, that is probably the least confusing way to learn

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That was the direction I was leading to. Listen to Koshkin he is one of the best sources here and his advice is certainly based on experience. I believe that the his recommendation is probably the best for your rifle based on it's intended purpose by design.
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How about a recommendation for the $500-600 range :) 
I would be using it at the rifle range from 100 yards out to 1000...
Any thoughts on the LaRue SPR mount?  That will eat into my scope $200...
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For those who arent willing to spend what the IOR 2.5-10 costs here is an option or two.
 
IOR 6x42 tactical with Badger Rings or
 
or you could put a 10x42 Super Sniper on.


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Larue makes some good stuff, although I do not know if there is a major need for a QD mount on a rifle like this where you will never really remove the optics.  Where Larue is very useful is in allowing you to place the scope a bit further forward for better eye relief.

In the $500-$600 range, take a look at Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x50, Burris Black Diamond 4-16x50, Millett LRS 6-25x56 (35mm tube does not work with Larue though),  Nikon Monarch 4-16x42 (w/MilDot),  Sightron S2 Big Sky 4-16x42 or 6.5-20x50.

I would lean either toward Bushnell Elite 4200 or Sightron S2 Big Sky.  If you want to use higher magnifications, you should probably go for a 50mm objective lens.

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I found this scope or $595 online...Is it a steal?  I like the idea of the smaller objective lens due to lighter weight and less space taken up...
 
 
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Or just suck it up and get a SS side focus??
 
The Bushie is only $200 more than the SS side focus....is it worth the $200??
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Nice rifle.
I just picked up a DPMS LR 308 T, the store had the 308 SASS and the 308 B in stock as well. I had gone looking to get the SASS and decided it was just too heavy for what i wanted but it is an awsome rifle set up well. I came here for helpful insight on optics as well. Found friendly and experienced advice.
Good luck finding a scope.
 
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Originally posted by huns huns wrote:

I found this scope or $595 online...Is it a steal?  I like the idea of the smaller objective lens due to lighter weight and less space taken up...
 
 


You will never reach 1000 yards with internal adjustment on that scope.  I think they only have like 50 MOA of travel and you will need around 35 to 40+ depending on where you are at and environmental conditions.  You will maybe get half of the 50 to use after you mount the scope.  If you go with an actual precision rifle scope of some brand it will have more internal adjustment which will allow you to shoot the distances you want to shoot. 
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What would be an actual precision rifle scope in that price range??
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In that price range other than the Super Sniper that gets hard.  You could buy a 20 or 25 MOA base to help fix the problem, but they a not cheap either.  It is the 1000 yard shooting that gets ya.  You can see on that chart how much that bullet drops in the last 300 yards.  That is where a scope with lost of adjustment and maybe a slanted base is needed.  Scope with only 50 MOA internal just won't cut it for a 1000 yard gun.  You need something with at least 70 and a 20 minute base to do it. 

So for mid level scope I am not sure what to tell you, other than the super sniper.  If you are willing to spend a little more and get an IOR 2.5-10x or a 4-14x plus a 20 MOA base you will be good to go.

   168 gr., .470 B.C.www.hornady.com
Range (yards)Muzzle1002003004005006007008009001000
Velocity (fps)27002511233021571991183316831544141713031205
Energy (ft.-lb.)2719235220251735147812531057890749633542
Trajectory (100 yd. zero)-1.50.0-4.0-14.4-32.3-59.0-96.1-145.5-209.6-291.1-393.3
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If memory serves me right, Elite 6500 scopes have somewhere between 80 and 90MOA of internal adjustment depending on the model, so with proper mounting you should have no problem reaching out to a 1000yards with a 308.

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ILya is right, but they are $700 plus rings and a slanted base.  You will be a $900+ for the 6500.  Which should be a awesome setup though.
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The Bushie has 80 MOA, will I still need an elevated scope mount for that?
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I say zero your rifle at 300 yds and use the mil-dots for hold over and anything beyond what your dots can provide adjust the elevation turret. You have to remember that at 80 moa that is 40 in either direction and that is not alot to work with, especially if getting a zero eats the wrong way, you could have as little as 25 moa left. A rail that provides 20 moa will help free that up on the elevation increase side.
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Most likely yes.  Because at 1000 yards you will be at the very edge of your adjustment range and it will not give you very much windage because you will be at the edge of a round tube.  At long distance is where windage my play a large roll so it is necessary to have it.  Check out this thread that will explain that a little more. 
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9676&KW=

If you get the slanted base it will allow you to have your reticle more centered so you will have more windage at the longer ranges.
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You are absolutely correct Super, I stand in the category of believers that if you are going to possibly shoot long range then you should invest in a decent rail with adequate moa for your cartridge and scope combination.
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I found a LaRue SPR mount with 10 MOA for $195 at their website.
Would that work?  Or is there another you recommend?
 
That would be $800 -$200 for the mount and the $600 Bushnell 6500 2.5-16x42 mildot scope. 
For the $600 is there anything better?? 
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I think the pic is showing low rings instead of the medium, but with the base mediums should be just right on an AR
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Holee stools Super that was fast. I was doing the same thing there bro. ands you beat me to the draw.
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