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Does anyone have any experience with this model, specifically image & bulid quality?  It would be used for recreational purposes rather than rough field work. 

http://www.swift-sportoptics.com/products/hunting/742

 

Superficially, it appears to be great value for money ($80), by that I mean, it has all the recomended features for a compact.

Waterproof / Fogproof / Shockproof

Fully multi coated optics

Close focus

Good eye relief

Twist up eye cups

 

Swift apparently make good glass but does this particular model have it?  Another swift model this time a porro, scored well for resolution in this shootout review, very few models were waterproof.

http://www.birdwatching.com/optics/pockets_chart.html#

 



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No thoughts?

 

I think I might go with the Bushnell Legend 8X26, I was originally looking for a waterproof porro but couldn't find one in the $80 price range.  



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If you find a quality? porro for $80 it WON'T be waterproof no matter what it says on the box. The closest thing to a good waterproof 8x porro is the Pentax 8x40 PCF WP II.

There is no such thing as a shockproof binocular.

hppt://opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=784&PN=1

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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

If you find a quality? porro for $80 it WON'T be waterproof no matter what it says on the box. There is no such thing as a shockproof binocular.

hppt://opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=784&PN=1

 

My 10x26 Bushnell Legend certainly was waterproof.  It cost me about $90.  The 8x26 Legend costs something like $80 and I can't see why its claim to waterproofness would be any less sure.

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Perhaps Bushnell would be good enough to tell everyone exactly what the JIS waterproof classification is for their compact binoculars. They certainly don't make it known as Pentax does with the PCF WP II series, as well as their other models.

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I think Bird Watcher is correct, the Bushnell porros are considered water resistant rather than waterproof.  Even water resistance is rare for a porro at this price point.

 

The term "shock proof" could be misleading but I think most people understand that it's just some rubber armour designed to soak up a light bump. 

 

I'm also looking at the Barska Atlantic 10X25 roof prisim compact binos ($30), these are definately waterproof and get good reviews, so does it's monocular variant.  I don't want to dump a lot of money into a compact, that money would be better spent on a full size bino, maybe an IOR porro. 



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Bird Watcher is correct that Bushnell does not (at least to my knowledge) publish the JIS classification for their binoculars. It should be noted however, that not many manufacturers do.  Pentax does it as a marketing ploy; implying that since others don't publish this number, they must be producing a product that is somehow deffective. Accepting this premise would require a leap in logic wholly unsuported by fact. This is also not a particularly grevious failure on the part of Bushnell nor does it automatically render their warranty of waterproofness any less valid than that of Nikon, Leica, Swarovski, Zeiss, etc. etc. etc. who also might not publish their JIS classification. Nor does this relegate the unit in question to the status of simple "water resistance."

 

The simple fact of the matter is that all binoculars in the Legend line (whether roof or porro prism) are warranted as being 100% waterproof/fogproof. Should your binocular fail, it will be replaced, just like with any other manufacturer offering a similar warranty.  Mine were actually (and accidentally) completely immersed when I fell in a river while fishing.  The binocular suffered no ill effects. In fact, I have yet to hear of anyone experiencing a failure of the waterproofing of any of these binoculars.

 

In the interest of total accuracy, I am including the complete description of the porro-prism Legend binoculars as offered by Bushnell.  I have added the [red] color emphasis.  The warranty card which came with the binoculars further supports the web-site's assertion that the binocular is warranted as fully waterproof (not water-resistant.)  There is no equivocation nor "fine print" to be examined on this point.

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For those who prefer the traditional style of a porro prism bino, this Legend™ lineup is a crowd pleaser. Like the Legend roof prism models, Rainguard® and premium BaK-4 prisms top the list of features to brag about – delivering crisp, clear images in rain, snow and fog. The textured, grippy rubber-armored housing not only stands up to hard use but provides a firm grasp in wet conditions. Offered in three magnifications, from powerful, long-range 12 x 50s to compact, wide-angle performers.

Fully Multi-Coated, BaK-4 Porro Prisms: Like our Legend™ roof prism models, Legend porro prism binoculars feature fully multi-coated optics, so every lens surface – on the inside and out – is specially treated to reduce light reflection and significantly increase brightness and image clarity. Our wide-angle porro prisms are made from premium-quality BaK-4 glass, which delivers a significantly brighter and clearer image – from edge to edge.

  • Features
  • BaK-4 porro prisms
  • Fully multi-coated optics allow maximum light transmission for optimum brightness
  • Heavy-duty, 100% waterproof/fogproof construction
  • Rainguard, water-repellent lens coating
  • Twist-up eyecups allow quick adjustment for optimum eye relief
  • Pop-up eyecups on compacts
  • Large center focus knob for precise focusing – even when wearing gloves
  • Trim, ergonomic shape for easy, all-day use
  • Textured, non-glare, non-slip rubber armor absorbs shock
  • Diopter adjustment for precise and reliable adjustments



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Thanks for clarifing the waterproof issue, lucznik,

 

How do/did your 10x26 legends perform at longer ranges?  I understand thats where the porros really have an advantage over roofs.

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "longer ranges."  As a rule, these perform at least as well as similarly-specced roofs costing 3x as much but, they still are compacts and thus suffer from their small objective lenses and subsequently tiny exit pupils.  A general, all-around binocular they are not but, sometimes their small(-ish) size is more important than having the brightest image and/or the most resolution.  As an aside, the inverted porro-prism design, because it brings the objective lenses in closer together rather than flaring out in the traditional "dog-leg" fashion, does nullify the 3-D effect that so often is listed among the Porro prisms advantages over roof prisms.

 

They are great for casual fishing/hiking trips where larger binoculars might prove too cumbersome or get in the way alot but, they would not be my choice for a dedicated hunting binocular.  I'll still stick with full size 40+mm objective lenses for this.

 

I actually don't use these very often anymore as their size, while definately quite small, is still too large to fit in a pants pocket.  So, even though the Bushnell's inverted-porro design might eek out a bit more performance, I still end up carrying my Pentax DCF WP II more often just because the little roof prism is more compact.  (This little Pentax, by the way, is only rated as water resistant but, I haven't had a problem with it yet either.) Next on my list of optics purchases is probably a 10x25 Nikon Premier LXL. 

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Thanks,

I agree on using a serious optic for serious work but for the recreational stuff a compact is attractive.  I think I've found what I'm looking for.  Plenty of positive reviews on it's different variations.  Better build quality than Barska.

http://www.competitor /products/bushnell-8x27-trophy-wate rprooffogproof-compact-25779.html



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