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Originally posted by Wally Wally wrote:

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I had the same issues with barrel fouling using the old X bullets.  I also found them finicky to load, but when I could get a rifle to shoot them, I always got excellent terminal performance.

 

The TSX's pretty much cured the fouling and accuracy issues.  I load mine just like other bullets, and the results have been very satisfying.  In fact, I now have two rifles that shoot a ballistic tip and a TSX to the same point of aim.  In both rifles the TSX is every bit as accurate as the ballistic tips, and in one rifle the TSX appears to be slightly better.  I shot a cow elk last year with my 6.5x55 using the 130 gr. TSX.  I was very pleased with the results.  Unfortunately my hunting was cut short this year, and I didn't get to do any more field testing.  DRAT!

 

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That's good to know.  I loaded up a bunch of test rounds with the TSX a few days ago and now I just have to get out to the range and shoot them. 

 

Have you tried the Ballistic Tip on game at all?  Besides the barrel fouling issue I am a bit wary of Barnes bullets because of their relatively high cost.  I don't mind paying for good bullets but, I don't want to pay more than I have to either.  If the BT will both shoot accurately and also perform well on game, then I'd rather put the available savings toward buying more bullets and subsequently doing more shooting.

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i shot a mule deer in wyoming with a 180 gr ballistic tip out of my 300winm the shot was taken with the buck standing broadside no more than 15 yds away and i squeezed the trigger and the deer vanished, i instantly clutched my ears which were ringing to beat hell damn the boss system on the brownings, any ways i collected myself walked over to where i was sure the deer was and there wasnt any blood but as i scanned looking down the hill i saw the buck wrapped around a pine tree, upon arrival i noted the single .308 hole going in i turned the animal over and almost puked, the exit hole was huge i could of put a football or a mini basketball in the exit wound and all i hit was a rib going in heart both lungs and the skin on the back side i guess the bullet didnt fail but it did waste a lot of meat i havent shot another game animal with those since.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

ok so i have got votes for the tsx and nosler partition and speer trophy bonded and chris's fav the A frame. anybody got any other bullets i should try

 

 

The Hornady Interbond is a good bullet.

 

The Nosler Accubond and Barnes MRX are new so, there's little if any solid data on their perfomance but, by all accounts they should be excellent choices as well.

 

 

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i shot a mule deer in wyoming with a 180 gr ballistic tip out of my 300winm the shot was taken with the buck standing broadside no more than 15 yds away and i squeezed the trigger and the deer vanished, i instantly clutched my ears which were ringing to beat hell damn the boss system on the brownings, any ways i collected myself walked over to where i was sure the deer was and there wasnt any blood but as i scanned looking down the hill i saw the buck wrapped around a pine tree, upon arrival i noted the single .308 hole going in i turned the animal over and almost puked, the exit hole was huge i could of put a football or a mini basketball in the exit wound and all i hit was a rib going in heart both lungs and the skin on the back side i guess the bullet didnt fail but it did waste a lot of meat i havent shot another game animal with those since.

 

Somehow I doubt I will see quite this level of tissue destruction out of my 7-08.

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that i couldnt tell you, as that is the only rifle i have ever shot a game animal with the ballstic tip i have shot the ballstic tip out of my 300 wsm and also my 25wssm but only at paper and from winchester these are some or the poorest shooting loads i have ever shot, especially in the 25wssm i know when i was reading an article jon sundra and david fortier where at wingmead on a hunt with the 25wssm and both reported shockingly bad accuracy from the nosler the 120 win pep bullet performed so much better the best group they got was 3 inches @ 100 this is pretty close to the results i got i would go out on a limb and assume that as a normaly noted for superior accuracy bullet if a guy were to load this by hand it wouldnt be an issue but in the factory form i couldnt count on the lack accuracy in the field. i use a 140 gr sierra in my 7-08
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I keep seeing this refrain that premium bullets cost too much. HUH??? "I shot the Moose up the ass and he got away but I saved 30 cents on the bullet" Should be an I stayed in a Holiday Inn ad!!! I own about a dozen rifles that I would take on a Deer, Moose or Elk hunt. Some are 70 years old, the newest is the R1. Everyone one will shoot any premium bullet (even old Xs) well enough to kill any D/M/E that ever lived at 300 yards. If your rifle will not shoot premium bullets, better check the nut behind the bolt. Buy the $400 scope and the premium bullets...you don't need a SWARO to kill D/M/E in North America.
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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:

I keep seeing this refrain that premium bullets cost too much. HUH??? "I shot the Moose up the ass and he got away but I saved 30 cents on the bullet" Should be an I stayed in a Holiday Inn ad!!! I own about a dozen rifles that I would take on a Deer, Moose or Elk hunt. Some are 70 years old, the newest is the R1. Everyone one will shoot any premium bullet (even old Xs) well enough to kill any D/M/E that ever lived at 300 yards. If your rifle will not shoot premium bullets, better check the nut behind the bolt. Buy the $400 scope and the premium bullets...you don't need a SWARO to kill D/M/E in North America.

 

i'm not so sure there is a reason for me to buy a $40.00 box of 50 bullets when i know for damn sure a $25 dollar box of sierra's will kill any animal in north america within 300 yds is the point, im looking for reasons why i should change to something i havent tried before but i can see justifing the doubled cost for half the product.

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What you "know" is not true. Go buy some of that new balistic
goo and shoot your wonderful Sierras against premium bullets.
Then think about that Moose going straight away. Or read the side by side tests in the new Handloader. The facts are out there in numerous tests. If you chose to ignore all the data to save a few pennies on a hunt that might cost thousands and worse, leave a crippled animal...... Sierras are very accurate and make great varmint & paper bullets but they will never match the total tissue destruction capability and penetration of any of the controlled expansion premium bullets. That is not my opinion, that is a tested and documented FACT!
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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:

What you "know" is not true. Go buy some of that new balistic
goo and shoot your wonderful Sierras against premium bullets.
Then think about that Moose going straight away. Or read the side by side tests in the new Handloader. The facts are out there in numerous tests. If you chose to ignore all the data to save a few pennies on a hunt that might cost thousands and worse, leave a crippled animal...... Sierras are very accurate and make great varmint & paper bullets but they will never match the total tissue destruction capability and penetration of any of the controlled expansion premium bullets. That is not my opinion, that is a tested and documented FACT!

 

 

i hate to break it to you but i am a third generation sierra user and i have never ever ever had a sierra not do the job in one shot on any animal in north america over the course of three generations, my dad used a single 100 grain sierra spitzer to down a moose, he used a single .308 180grain round nose out of a 30-06 to down a 500 pound cinnamon phase black bear and i dont know how many hundreds of deer elk and antelope have all fallen to single well placed sierra's ranging from 223-45-70, so if you want to argue with three generations of single shot success, maybe you should look no further my grand dad was so sure of his ability and his bullet that he took one bullet out in the field, he knew that's all it took and he never had to come home empty handed. do i think that these other companies make a fine product, you bet your ass i do, does that mean i am going to race out and buy there product so i can shoot a few of them at animals and waste a whole bunch on paper not on your life.

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Everyone has experience but ballistic tests do not lie.
The fact that virtually every well know hunter/writer is using premium bullets might get you to think? A Sierra is no better on game than any other non-bonded, non partiton soft point. So save your money on bullets and hope your 1930s bullet technology never is called upon to break a Moose hip and get thru the guts to the heart lungs cause it won't. A friend's Dad swear by Sierras too. He only will take a broadside lung shot on deer and Antelope and has killed in excess of 50. Never lost one. Postmortum always shows a great big hole 4-12" in, wrecked lungs, core separated from jacket and never a hole in the other side. Deadly but had he shot the same animals going away or head on and hit big bones the story would not be the same. Why is it impossible to get all the "experts" on this blog to even look at the numerous bullet tests done over the past five years? "I know my mind is closed" seems to be the prevailing attitude.
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why would i want to break a moose hip? shoot the damn thing in the head call it good what more do i need. i thought you were the king of being ethical?? why take a questionable shot?? if it aint broadside shoot it in the head/neck who wants to clean out an animal that has been shot in the gust?  not if you like being shoulder deep in moose sh*t then you go ahead and keep shooting the guts that's your choice you can talk about your barnes tsx till you pass out from lack of oxygen and you wont ever change my mind, i dont give a damn about what the ballistic say YOU CANT BEAT ONE SHOT ONE KILL RESULTS ballistic's are science science is based on theory and my results are based on fact. nobody needs to look at any bullet test's they have run there own, you see animal you shot animal bullet hits animal animal falls down and dies, hunter looks at bullet box notes what it is and repeats the purchase for years and years until some drastic failure that results in the death or injury of himself or companion in the field changes his mind.there is a reason that the green box is the most recognized in the industry, tight tollerence and exceptional performance in the field and on the bench, the most popular manufacturer of bullet's didnt get that title from building pieces of crap!
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Shooting a Moose in the head would be a 9.9 on the stupid scale.
The chance of a cripple or a really pissed off Moose is way high. You might shoot in the hip cause you jumped a 65" bull in the alders who did not stand up broadside and wait till you could slip a Sierra between the ribs.The more time I spend on this blog the more convinced I am that reading is a lost art. There are so many great books by big game hunters who have shot more stuff than we will ever see that are apparently unread.
Why don't you find me the last article when anyone chose Sierras to go after Buff, Bears, Moose , Lion or Elk. You won't, they don't. Non bonded lead core bullets were all we had for decades. Along with Dupont 80, Weaver 330s and 32 Remingtons, there are superior choices today. If they work for you fine BUT don't try to make the case that they are the equal to Noslers, Swifts, TUGs, Barnes, etc because they are not and you won't find one experienced hunter/writer who will say so."Education should be a life long process"
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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:

Shooting a Moose in the head would be a 9.9 on the stupid scale.
The chance of a cripple or a really pissed off Moose is way high. You might shoot in the hip cause you jumped a 65" bull in the alders who did not stand up broadside and wait till you could slip a Sierra between the ribs.The more time I spend on this blog the more convinced I am that reading is a lost art. There are so many great books by big game hunters who have shot more stuff than we will ever see that are apparently unread.
Why don't you find me the last article when anyone chose Sierras to go after Buff, Bears, Moose , Lion or Elk. You won't, they don't. Non bonded lead core bullets were all we had for decades. Along with Dupont 80, Weaver 330s and 32 Remingtons, there are superior choices today. If they work for you fine BUT don't try to make the case that they are the equal to Noslers, Swifts, TUGs, Barnes, etc because they are not and you won't find one experienced hunter/writer who will say so."Education should be a life long process"

 

its because sierra cant be bought out, they dont have to pay people to take there product in the field cause they know it doesnt need to be proven anymore

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and i'm not the one forcing tsx's throught out the whole ot!!! i never said sierra built a better bullet than anyone, i said i have had nothing but complete success you sir are the one who is being the catalyst
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Pyro, the heavier the bullet in a Sierra the better the penetration. I don't think they are as rugged as the super premiums, but confidence in shot placemen matters, too.

Sierra bullets do work, choose your weight carefully. This was a 250 gr .338 from Sierra's web site.



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yeah im totally positive that any sierra bullet i shoot will do the job as long as i do my part! like i wrote earlier i can argue with my family history with sierra bullets one shot one kill.
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i'm thinking i will spend a touch more and try out the nosler accubonds in my 25wssm  6.5 rem mag and 300wsm i dont like the 50 count that they give you though, one more * for sierra! 100 to a box i cant see needing to spend $100 for three boxes of tsx's when i am just shooting whitetail deer.
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tahqua,

 

It's General Boddington not Col.  and he turned me onto the 6.5, Lex at Rifle's Inc. turned me onto the Swift A-Frame.  Here's a short story about my 6.5 in Africa with a few pics.

 

My PH was really upset when he found out that I would be shooting a 140 gr. bullet, he lectured and ridiculed me for about 10 minutes on how you should never come to Africa with anything less than 180 gr.  I asked him a few questions about sectional density and ballistic coefficient and could tell that he was not very knowledgeable, so I politely apologized for bringing a substandard caliber.

 

We did a lot of tracking and spotting on foot and several times we were in range and he would not let me shoot, citing that my caliber would not do the job at those ranges.  I'm not accustomed to someone telling me when to shoot and when not to shoot but his telling not to shoot saved my life the day before so I continued to do as he instructed.

 

I can tell you that the Zebra were by far the most difficult animals to get.  Where we were hunting lives the most beautiful species of zebra, called mountain zebra.  Their stripes go all the way down their legs and they do not have brown or grey stripes (just black).  Anyway these zebra have some major radar and other animals hang out with them because of it.  When I took my first stallion, my PH was telling me how hardy they are and how they don't ever go down on the first shot, so I needed to keep shooting even if the first shot was good.  We left the trackers on a hill top in distance because you just can't hunt successfully with more than two people.  They were watching the whole thing unfold and were prepared to watch the zebra after the shot.  We got within a range that he felt comfortable letting me shoot and the zebra took off quartering away and after chasing these guys for days I was ready to sling lead.  I shot in his shoulder area and the zebra went right down.  The PH was shocked; the trackers were so impressed they all wanted to shake my hand.  They don't speak English but my PH told me that they had never seen such a sight.  After the autopsy, they concluded that the bullet entered behind the shoulder passed up his neck and exited between his eyes.

 

My PH could not ask me enough questions about my caliber and bullet after this.  I was his new hero now.  A few more animals went down without incident and his confidence grew.

 

I really wanted a Kudu but we just hadn't seen any until one day we were resting under a shade tree and a nice kudu ran right past us and over a hill.  I grabbed my rifle and we took off running and about an hour later we spotted him.  He had ran over a rocky hill and positioned himself under a shade tree looking back at the hill he just ran over, the same hill we would have to crest in pursuit of him.  My PH knew he would be in the valley looking back, so we crawled slowly to the crest and peeked between some rocks and spotted him.  He was between 300 and 400 yards away.  You'll never guess what my PH said next.

 

"Chris, normally I would not allow my client to take this shot, but because of your caliber I feel confident".   The kudu never turned, he just kept looking right at us, so I put the bullet right in his chest and down he went.  This was the only animal we were able to recover a bullet from and here it is.

 

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Great story and animals, Chris.

That zebra is especially beautiful.  

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