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 anyone use these chris told me they work great!! let me know what your experiences are with the a frame!
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When I first took the super premium bullet plunge it was between the Swift and the Trophy Bonded. It was a toss up I figured. Now I know I was completely wrong and therefore, Chris is wrong, too.

 

 Here's look'n at ya RMS..............I will try them



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chris told me that craig boddington was the one who suggested it to him, and he said his guides on african hunts were cussing chris for not having a tougher bullet in a bigger caliber then chris dropped 3-4 animals in there tracks and the guide changed his tune quickly.
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Swift A Frame takes the Partition to the next level, split and bonded jacket/core.  An extremely tough and deep penetrating bullet. If Col. Boddington says it's good I think you can take that to the bank. Chris has been around a lot more than me, for sure, and I think you can take that to the bank, too.

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i dont think i need something like that for whitetail i would think that since my good old sierra has brought down many elk and deer thats all i need, the reason i ask is  i am planning on going after black bear, and the ones here are around 200 pounds a few get to 300 i think  400 and some change is the biggest ive heard of in this state, but i was wondering if i need a bullet like the a frame for my 6.5 rem mag to take a bear down, i know my old man used 180gr round nose for bear out of his 30-06 so do i need the a frame to make up for weight or will the speed and a sierra 140 be enough?
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That's an interesting question, pyro, as I have been loading and are a fan of Sierra bullets for 25 years. I think for bear a good stout bullet is in order for the smaller calibers like 6.5mm. No doubt the 140 gr. in 6.5 has good SD. I have shot many deer with the 160 gr SBT Sierra in 7mm. I have never lost a deer to these bullets but I have had them blow up on shoulders at close range. They are just so darn accurate that I keep using them. With a bear you have a much heavier shoulder and a flat base Sierra might work better. They only come in 120 and 160 gr., though. I would give the nod to the heavier one IMHO.
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actually now they make a 140 grain bullet in the game king line 140spbt
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Sorry, I should have pointed out the flat base is the Pro Hunter. That 140 gr SBT GameKing should be a very good bullet in the 6.5. That's the bullet I'm going to load first for my .260 Rem. From .223 to .308 diameter, the best hunting bullet accuracy I've ever loaded has been from GameKing hunting bullets. It's just me, but I always go heavy for caliber when given the choice. Others here have told me of good results with 120 gr. 6.5mm bullets on deer sized game. If you decide to go light, go premium. Penetration really counts on bear.

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kinda what i figured, i have had some people  try to tell me that the rem factory ammo for the 6.5 mag is too hot for the 120 bullet they load up and when they hit a deer they tend to tumble instead of spin, and create a huge exit wound.
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Pyro, I'm brain dead, 6.5 RM, oh yeah. I would go for the heavier bullets like the 160gr Pro Hunter, minimum. Or look at other premium bullets from 140gr. on up. Core jacket separation with boat tail bullets is a fact in my experience. Like I said, all my deer were still dead, but the bullets did break up. A bear is a lot tougher animal if you take a shoulder shot. Something to think about with a 6.5, especially that really cool mag, IMO.

You know, all this talk about WSM's and now 6.5 RM is very bad for my marriage. You guys post pics, and I'll dream for now.

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so i should think about using an a frame or a here i go  rootmanslim a barnes tsx

the gun i posted and chris did too are the 6.5's i bought a couple weeks ago chris will get his tomorrow u.p.s!!

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Yep, Trophy Bonded, A Frame, and TSX. Grand Slam is good as is Nosler Partition. There are so many good choices these days, it hurts, the wallet any way.
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i know the sierra's are less than $20 per box the ones you named are twice that for 50 in some cases.
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Yes they are. I went with Trophy Bonded and worked up an accurate load for it. Then I stayed with it. But I always have an extra box of Sierras with me. Take your pick with a premium and I think you will be fine. Good luck on that bear hunt and give us a field report on that 6.5, would you?
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absolutly if chris doesnt beat me to it!!
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In the 6.5 caliber I have always had really good success with the 140 gr. Nosler Partition. My family has used this bullet in our .264 Win Mags on just about everything from small antelope to a couple of large Alaskan Grizzlies.

 

The new 130 gr. Nosler Accubond is a very intruiging round. My dad is out trying to kill a cow elk with one right now - they weren't available in time for the regular bull season.

 

I've killed a few elk with the 140 gr. Hornady SST and it seems to have worked fairly well. It is however, not a bonded bullet so; you may not want it for bear.

 

We tried Barnes bullets once before and always had a very difficult time with them fouling the barrels really badly - and quickly.  This was before the TSXs came out so, I haven't tried that specific bullet.  I do have a box of them to try in my 7-08 but, I am a little hesitant.  Hopefully they have reformulated their alloy a tiny bit so as to address this problem. 

 

Pretty much I agree with what the others have posted.  Choose a premium bullet that shoots well from your rifle and then get hunting.

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thanks for the input lucznik, now i just have to decide which one to try first.
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lucznik,

 

I had the same issues with barrel fouling using the old X bullets.  I also found them finicky to load, but when I could get a rifle to shoot them, I always got excellent terminal performance.

 

The TSX's pretty much cured the fouling and accuracy issues.  I load mine just like other bullets, and the results have been very satisfying.  In fact, I now have two rifles that shoot a ballistic tip and a TSX to the same point of aim.  In both rifles the TSX is every bit as accurate as the ballistic tips, and in one rifle the TSX appears to be slightly better.  I shot a cow elk last year with my 6.5x55 using the 130 gr. TSX.  I was very pleased with the results.  Unfortunately my hunting was cut short this year, and I didn't get to do any more field testing.  DRAT!

 

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I'm the lover of TSXs, that said the A Frame is an excellent bullet. I use 400 gr ones, 400 gr Woodleighs and a treasured hoard of 400gr old Xs in my 400 H&H. Any will go thru anything afoot in North America. The A Frames are almost cloverleaf accurate with 3 shots. The Woodleighs about an inch and the Xs about 1.75-2.5 inches as they are Soooo long that the twist is wrong. Pic of rifle below. Woodleigh top, Swift middle, NEI 395 cast bottom.

I have used the TSX 6.5s in a 6.5x55 and shot end to end on two large buck Antelope breaking shoulders & hips. I'm sure a bear would also die right now.
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ok so i have got votes for the tsx and nosler partition and speer trophy bonded and chris's fav the A frame. anybody got any other bullets i should try
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Originally posted by Wally Wally wrote:

lucznik,

 

I had the same issues with barrel fouling using the old X bullets.  I also found them finicky to load, but when I could get a rifle to shoot them, I always got excellent terminal performance.

 

The TSX's pretty much cured the fouling and accuracy issues.  I load mine just like other bullets, and the results have been very satisfying.  In fact, I now have two rifles that shoot a ballistic tip and a TSX to the same point of aim.  In both rifles the TSX is every bit as accurate as the ballistic tips, and in one rifle the TSX appears to be slightly better.  I shot a cow elk last year with my 6.5x55 using the 130 gr. TSX.  I was very pleased with the results.  Unfortunately my hunting was cut short this year, and I didn't get to do any more field testing.  DRAT!

 

Steve

 

That's good to know.  I loaded up a bunch of test rounds with the TSX a few days ago and now I just have to get out to the range and shoot them. 

 

Have you tried the Ballistic Tip on game at all?  Besides the barrel fouling issue I am a bit wary of Barnes bullets because of their relatively high cost.  I don't mind paying for good bullets but, I don't want to pay more than I have to either.  If the BT will both shoot accurately and also perform well on game, then I'd rather put the available savings toward buying more bullets and subsequently doing more shooting.

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i shot a mule deer in wyoming with a 180 gr ballistic tip out of my 300winm the shot was taken with the buck standing broadside no more than 15 yds away and i squeezed the trigger and the deer vanished, i instantly clutched my ears which were ringing to beat hell damn the boss system on the brownings, any ways i collected myself walked over to where i was sure the deer was and there wasnt any blood but as i scanned looking down the hill i saw the buck wrapped around a pine tree, upon arrival i noted the single .308 hole going in i turned the animal over and almost puked, the exit hole was huge i could of put a football or a mini basketball in the exit wound and all i hit was a rib going in heart both lungs and the skin on the back side i guess the bullet didnt fail but it did waste a lot of meat i havent shot another game animal with those since.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

ok so i have got votes for the tsx and nosler partition and speer trophy bonded and chris's fav the A frame. anybody got any other bullets i should try

 

 

The Hornady Interbond is a good bullet.

 

The Nosler Accubond and Barnes MRX are new so, there's little if any solid data on their perfomance but, by all accounts they should be excellent choices as well.

 

 

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i shot a mule deer in wyoming with a 180 gr ballistic tip out of my 300winm the shot was taken with the buck standing broadside no more than 15 yds away and i squeezed the trigger and the deer vanished, i instantly clutched my ears which were ringing to beat hell damn the boss system on the brownings, any ways i collected myself walked over to where i was sure the deer was and there wasnt any blood but as i scanned looking down the hill i saw the buck wrapped around a pine tree, upon arrival i noted the single .308 hole going in i turned the animal over and almost puked, the exit hole was huge i could of put a football or a mini basketball in the exit wound and all i hit was a rib going in heart both lungs and the skin on the back side i guess the bullet didnt fail but it did waste a lot of meat i havent shot another game animal with those since.

 

Somehow I doubt I will see quite this level of tissue destruction out of my 7-08.

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that i couldnt tell you, as that is the only rifle i have ever shot a game animal with the ballstic tip i have shot the ballstic tip out of my 300 wsm and also my 25wssm but only at paper and from winchester these are some or the poorest shooting loads i have ever shot, especially in the 25wssm i know when i was reading an article jon sundra and david fortier where at wingmead on a hunt with the 25wssm and both reported shockingly bad accuracy from the nosler the 120 win pep bullet performed so much better the best group they got was 3 inches @ 100 this is pretty close to the results i got i would go out on a limb and assume that as a normaly noted for superior accuracy bullet if a guy were to load this by hand it wouldnt be an issue but in the factory form i couldnt count on the lack accuracy in the field. i use a 140 gr sierra in my 7-08
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