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slatereno
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Posted: June/14/2010 at 15:35 |
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I am thinking about buying one of these for my long range .338 Ultra. Talked to SWFA they said. they would e-mail me the subtensiion at the intersection of the crosshairs. Well a week came and went no e-mail. Called again today and was told they dont have that info ! WHAT? any manufactuter can tell u this. OK then here is what i get maybe try Bushnell as they make them for us!!!!!! To say i am turning sour on this scope would be like saying katrina was a bit of wind! I wanna give the scope a try but for the ranges that this gun will be used at I just want to be sure that the crosshairs are fine enough.....does anyone here know the subtension???
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My great uncle said "Kid if you aim small you will miss small" He also said"Magnums & good lookin gals will give you no end of trouble" Turns out he was a VERY wise man!!!
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slatereno
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OK jusy got off the phone with Bushnell and all they know is that the mil dots are .75 MOA and standard mil dot spacing THEY MAKE IT (or import it) AND THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THE RETICLE INTERSECTION SUBTENSION IS! WELL THAT WILL DO IT FOR ME BACK TO LEUPOLD WHERE U CAN FET THIS INFO IN SECONDS
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My great uncle said "Kid if you aim small you will miss small" He also said"Magnums & good lookin gals will give you no end of trouble" Turns out he was a VERY wise man!!!
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cheaptrick
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Thanks for sharing.
As bad as I hate the fact you seem dissatisfied with your Super Sniper, please be advised of the following rule of engagement.
6. The Optics Talk forum is not to be used as a customer service tool for SWFA customers. Tracking numbers, Order Status, Credit Card issues, etc. need to be directed to our Customer Service Professionals at 972-617-7056 from 8 a.m -5 p.m CDT or via e-mail at swfa@swfa.com. Sorry your disappointed in the SS and/or SWFA.
Myself and MANY, MANY others love them BOTH! Edited by cheaptrick - June/14/2010 at 16:16 |
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SVT_Tactical
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MANY!
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slatereno
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Cheaptrick. If u read my post again . I AM NOT in any way dissatisfied with my super sniper I DONT HAVE ONE!!!!!! All I am try to do get get simple tech specs for the scope SO I CAN BUY ONE!!!!!......But the level of intel is pretty darn low wouldent u say???
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My great uncle said "Kid if you aim small you will miss small" He also said"Magnums & good lookin gals will give you no end of trouble" Turns out he was a VERY wise man!!!
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Rancid Coolaid
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I wouldn't buy the 20X, get the 10X and live happily ever after.
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cheaptrick
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I stand corrected on that. Why are you screaming?
May I interest you in a free online spell checker??
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slatereno
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Cheaptrick,
After reading my last post i can understand your comment about a spell checker! Perhaps you may want to look into a bit of remedial reading as well! However i choose not engage in a battle of wits with those who are not well armed. The question still begs: Does any one know the reticle subtension on the 20x SS????
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My great uncle said "Kid if you aim small you will miss small" He also said"Magnums & good lookin gals will give you no end of trouble" Turns out he was a VERY wise man!!!
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supertool73
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Knowing the dots are .25 mils, then looking through mine, I would guess that the cross is probably 1/10 of a mil. It is pretty small.
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slatereno
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Thank you so much supertool73 Bushnell told me the mil-dots are .75 mil but even so if its alot thinner say 1/10 of that that will be fine. I read as well as heard many good things about these scopes. I am going to utilize it fo ultra long range groundhog hunting here in PA and I was concerned that at 1200yards or further it would cover up too much of the target. Thank you again
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My great uncle said "Kid if you aim small you will miss small" He also said"Magnums & good lookin gals will give you no end of trouble" Turns out he was a VERY wise man!!!
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Steelbenz
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Well, this begs the question why a 338 ultra needs a fix 20 power?
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Steelbenz
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never mind.
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slowr1der
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So does Bushnell really make these scopes for SWFA? So are they really better than similar priced Bushnell options? Or are they just so highly recommended because this forum is run by SWFA?
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Wrong choice for 1200 yds the 20x Super Sniper is actually better suited for more moderate ranges at 1200 yds you will ultimately be dissatisfied. If you must go with a 20x fixed power at that distance you would be better advised to select the Sightron SIII.
in fact I would want a larger objective than the 42mm at least 50 mm and I beleive you will be ultimately dissatisfied with any 20x fixed power scope because they look grey in low light and you can not dial down the power to brighten the image, but then I have actually owned one. I think you are way too hung up on the math but you should be able to find some helpful info on this SWFA web site.
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Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - June/14/2010 at 20:19 |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Definition for "reticle subtension" : Most commonly expressed in inches per 100 yards, reticle subtension is the amount of the target covered by the reticle. This known amount of coverage by the reticle can be compared against the size of an object in the scope's image, and be used to estimate the range of the object.
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cheaptrick
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Your probably right.
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pyro6999
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me thinks somebody needs to be taken out back for an attitude adjustment.
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supertool73
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I agree with Urimaginary a fixed 20x would not be a good choice. You will need to be able to turn it down if you have mirage problems. Plus the exit pupil will be pretty low.
You said in the first post that Bushnell said .75 MOA. That is .25 Mil. .75 mil would be a pretty big mildot. Edited by supertool73 - June/14/2010 at 21:20 |
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Steelbenz
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I just find it ironic that a vicious vermin as terrible as a Groundhog needs a 338 ultra mag from 1200 yards away. They must really grow'em bigger up north.
You sure you ain't in Texas? LOL! |
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slatereno
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Pyro, had a fella with the same idea awhile back....here though he is back on solid food as of april!!! All kidding aside I asked a simple question....got admonished incorrectly for using the wrong forum...then for my typing and/or spelling skills. I have served my country for 24 yrs and fellas been scared lots of times.....only got out of some tight spots cause the almighty had my butt off the ground by the belt carrying me to a better spot....so i take NOTHING sitting down gents when i am right. If i offended any one sure am sorry but cant see what i did wrong here. Bushnell said .75 Minutes not .75 mil. Ya the .338 is big but we use it for 2 reasons first it minimizes wind correction and god knows I can use all the help I can get in that dept. secondly as far as we are shooting its been hard to see the bullet splash here if the hay is up a bit and or its rained a few days before and we cant get a dust plume. I had a leupold 6.5x20-40mm on this gun and it was fine at 20x....we are shooting in good light so exit pupil is not really a factor. mirage has been ok even at 20x for us. All i was tryin to figure was the crosshais thickness....just did not want to obscure too much of the hog when we are way out there....once again if I offended any one i sure did not mean to
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My great uncle said "Kid if you aim small you will miss small" He also said"Magnums & good lookin gals will give you no end of trouble" Turns out he was a VERY wise man!!!
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