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Posted: November/20/2014 at 04:28

Just exactly what I was looking for. Blew me away when I first saw it
I almost scrolled past it thinking it was the 1-4 HD. Which, no doubt is a great.scope. But I wanted a center dot. And this has a roughly 1" dia. 1 moa, .3 mil center dot. It will be ideal for most of my hunting rifles. Not overly crazy about only 3.1" eye relief on 4× but I can figure it out. Tho I may not put it on my next 416. I'll try it on my 458 Win Mag first. If I don't get ringed I'll be good to go.
For predator and big game hunting on everything else it looks like it will work great !! I didn't see the temperature rating or the 50 cal OK rating. Anyone know?

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Posted: November/20/2014 at 04:44

Also, I take it that it is a 30 mm tube?

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Posted: November/20/2014 at 05:41

It is a 30mm tube. Though not stated, I would bet a lot it is 50BMG rated. SWFA does not make anything not 50BMG rated. Some of the absolute toughest optics on the market.

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Posted: November/20/2014 at 06:25

MMm glad he asked. Looking at it i was thingking it was a 1" tube..... NTS need rings!

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Posted: November/20/2014 at 13:32

With the lighter weight I wasn't sure. From the pics it looked like a 30 mm but, don't hurt to ask.

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Posted: November/21/2014 at 09:02

Chris,
Amazing timing.
I've been laid up with a cast on my right foot (non-weight bearing and no driving) for the past month and I've been spending all of my free time doing internet research and obsessing over which 1-4x to buy for my AR when I recover. I had finally made up my mind. The cast came off yesterday and then happened across your post. I was literally in the process of buying a Vortex PST 1-4x at the time because in my estimate, it was the best of the sub $500 options out there (even though there was no dedicated ranging worked into the reticle). Ironically, the Leatherwood CMR4 was my second choice and it is compared to your new 1-4x in this forum as well.

OK, so now the SWFA 1-4x has my complete attention. Best in class weight, uncluttered yet usable ranging reticle (simple enough for CQB / refined enough to stretch out to +500yds), great company track record, AMAZING price point, even an integrated cattail. EVERYTHING I have been looking for.

I can certainly wait another week to order on November 28th. Here's the question, WHEN will I get it if I buy it on the 28th? Are they in stock? Do you anticipate them selling out?

I don't know if I can wait much longer!
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Posted: November/21/2014 at 09:36

Mincer wrote:

Chris,
Amazing timing.
I've been laid up with a cast on my right foot (non-weight bearing and no driving) for the past month and I've been spending all of my free time doing internet research and obsessing over which 1-4x to buy for my AR when I recover. I had finally made up my mind. The cast came off yesterday and then happened across your post. I was literally in the process of buying a Vortex PST 1-4x at the time because in my estimate, it was the best of the sub $500 options out there (even though there was no dedicated ranging worked into the reticle). Ironically, the Leatherwood CMR4 was my second choice and it is compared to your new 1-4x in this forum as well.

OK, so now the SWFA 1-4x has my complete attention. Best in class weight, uncluttered yet usable ranging reticle (simple enough for CQB / refined enough to stretch out to +500yds), great company track record, AMAZING price point, even an integrated cattail. EVERYTHING I have been looking for.

I can certainly wait another week to order on November 28th. Here's the question, WHEN will I get it if I buy it on the 28th? Are they in stock? Do you anticipate them selling out?

I don't know if I can wait much longer!
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The scopes will be in stock here in the next week. As long as you order the same day they come out you should be fine and you should have it within a week of ordering it.

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Posted: November/21/2014 at 10:19

reticle would be bad ass in the 3-9 and 3-15

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Posted: November/21/2014 at 11:28

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The scopes will be in stock here in the next week. As long as you order the same day they come out you should be fine and you should have it within a week of ordering it.

I haven't participated in a "Black Friday" sales event in a while, particularly one that's online. Could you tell us precisely when we should expect the "Add to Cart" button to appear on your website?
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Posted: November/21/2014 at 12:06

Welcome to Optics Talk, Mincer. Black Friday is right around the corner... Yippee

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Posted: November/21/2014 at 15:17

Mincer wrote:

Chris Farris II wrote:

The scopes will be in stock here in the next week. As long as you order the same day they come out you should be fine and you should have it within a week of ordering it.

I'll try to calm down.
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You can add to cart nowfor $399.95, but adding them to the cart at $299.95 will be available at 12:01 AM November 28th CST.

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Posted: November/21/2014 at 17:36

If you guys have a chance to field questions I definitely have some. I apologize if these questions are answered elsewhere, I didn't seem to find them if they were.

For SWFA:

1) Is there going to be a version of this scope available in MOA instead of MIL ?

2) Is there going to be a version of this scope with capped turrets ?

3) Is the illumination on the scope considered "daylight" view-able ?

4) What are the major differences in the SWFA SS HD 1-4x and this scope that warrant the significant price difference? (Clarity, Illumination, Ability to resist damage, etc.)

I have bought mounts and some other items through SWFA but have yet to purchase a scope. I am heavily leaning towards the SWFA SS HD 1-4, but just stumbled across this deal and now I am reconsidering. Haha. You guys are good. Smile

For any user that has used this scope:

- Anyone have experience with both the SWFA SS HD 1-4 and the newest 1-4? I am definitely interested in a comparison.

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Posted: November/22/2014 at 21:26

What is the reticle construction? Wire hung or etched?

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Posted: November/23/2014 at 19:03

Are there any plans for this reticle in other scopes?

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Posted: November/24/2014 at 12:38

photek wrote:

If you guys have a chance to field questions I definitely have some. I apologize if these questions are answered elsewhere, I didn't seem to find them if they were.

For SWFA:

1) Is there going to be a version of this scope available in MOA instead of MIL ?

2) Is there going to be a version of this scope with capped turrets ?

3) Is the illumination on the scope considered "daylight" view-able ?Yes, in anything, but the brightest light. I tried it on a bright sunny day and on an overcast day. On an overcast day it really stands out well. The reticle, however, is quite fast even without ilumination.

4) What are the major differences in the SWFA SS HD 1-4x and this scope that warrant the significant price difference? (Clarity, Illumination, Ability to resist damage, etc.)

For any user that has used this scope:

- How does this compare directly with the Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24. I assume this will be one of the primary competitors with this scope when it reaches it's final price. They'll be within 100 bucks of one another. They are comparable in many ways. The SSDM is likely a touch better optically, but it is close. Mechanics are hard to tell for sure until there is a number of these out there. The scope I played with did not hiccup at all. I prefer the reticle on the SS, but that is personal. The SSDM is a touch lighter though, which is important for my application.

- Anyone have experience with both the SWFA SS HD 1-4 and the newest 1-4? I am definitely interested in a comparison.

I am not SWFA, but I can comment on a couple of things. See above.

Ultimately, in the sub-$500 price range, there are now three truly viable low range variable scopes, where there were only two. It has been Leatherwood CMR4 1-4x24 and Vortex PST 1-4x24. Now there is also the SWFA SS DM 1-4x24. Burris Tac30 and the original Leatherwood CMR are pretty good, but the three I referred two above are clearly better. For the money, the new SSDM is probably the best one in the bunch. Here is a spec table with a few scopes of this general configuration.

	SWFA SS 1-4x24 SFP	Leather-wood CMR 1-4x24	Leather-wood CMR4 1-4x24	Leupold VX-R Patrol 1.25-4x20	Optisan CX6 1-6x24	Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24	Burris Fullfield II Tac 30 1-4x24
Length, in	10.2	10.2	10.2	9.4	10.7	9.7	11.3
Weight, oz	14.1	16.5	17.1	11.5		16	17
Main Tube Diameter	30mm	30mm	30mm	30mm	30mm	30mm	30mm
Eye Relief, in	5.0 - 3.1	3.1	3	4.1 - 3.7	3.5	4	4 - 3.5
FOV, ft@1000yards	99.9 - 24.8	94.8 - 26.2	94.8 - 26.2	75 - 29	120 - 20	98 - 27.5	100 - 30.2
Reticle	Mil-Quad DM	CMR	CMR4 or AK	FireDot SPR	MS3	TMCQ	Ballistic CQ 5.56
Illumination	Yes (Dot and Diamond)	Yes (dot and horse shoe)	Yes (dot and horse shoe)	Yes with motion sensor	Yes	Yes	Yes
Turrets	Exposed, 0.1 mrad	Exposed, ½ MOA, Zero Stop	Covered, 0.1 mrad	Exposed, 0.1 mrad	Covered ½ MOA	½ MOA	Covered, ½ MOA
Price	$400	$330	$450	$599	$599	$500	$300

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Posted: November/25/2014 at 16:10

photek wrote:

If you guys have a chance to field questions I definitely have some. I apologize if these questions are answered elsewhere, I didn't seem to find them if they were.

For SWFA:

1) Is there going to be a version of this scope available in MOA instead of MIL ? At this time there are no plans for this.

2) Is there going to be a version of this scope with capped turrets ? At this time there are no plans for this.

3) Is the illumination on the scope considered "daylight" view-able ? Yes, in anything, but the brightest light. I tried it on a bright sunny day and on an overcast day. On an overcast day it really stands out well. The reticle, however, is quite fast even without illumination.

4) What are the major differences in the SWFA SS HD 1-4x and this scope that warrant the significant price difference? (Clarity, Illumination, Ability to resist damage, etc.)

The main difference between this scope and the SWFA SS HD 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope, which dictates the price difference, is the glass and the FFP optical system in the HD costs significantly more to manufacture.

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