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pyro6999
Optics Retard OT TITAN Joined: December/22/2006 Location: North Dakota Status: Offline Points: 22034 |
Posted: February/13/2008 at 08:18 | |
you guys got z6's all i got was this crummy s&b 3x12.
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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medic52
Optics Professional Joined: October/05/2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 893 |
Posted: February/13/2008 at 09:06 | |
I consider the scale as information ONLY, I mean its like going to the Doctor and you tell him your in pain and he says on a scale of 1-10 with ten being the WORST PAIN in the world what is your number. We all have our own numbers for pain and scopes, so I appreciate the scale as a tool for information ONLY, NOT GOSPEL. I have learned so much from the people on this site that when I make a purchase its because of you, all of you that I buy in confidence that I am getting the BEST scope that I can afford for my hard earned dollars. I have 12 scoped rifles. All of them are scoped for a particular purpose and IMHO all of them are 10's. To me whats important is the product I BUY does its JOB and the company I deal with stands behind their product.
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." G.K. Chesterton
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tahqua
MODERATOR Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9042 |
Posted: February/13/2008 at 09:22 | |
Nothing to get worked up about because it is for reference only. I still like the concept and agreed with the original, most. Like already pointed out, some of the updates seem to be off. Both on the upper and lower ends.
That's why we're all here.
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Dolphin
Optics Master Joined: October/05/2006 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 1795 |
Posted: February/13/2008 at 17:29 | |
My Sightron SII is the easy equal to my 4200 in about the same power range. Go Sightron.
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tahqua
MODERATOR Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9042 |
Posted: February/13/2008 at 17:40 | |
Yep, D, Sightron being one of those.
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Chris Farris
TEAM SWFA - Admin swfa.com Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 8024 |
Posted: February/16/2008 at 14:00 | |
I think you can find a better way to disagree with our scale. Your blantent disrespect and profanities are not appreciated.
To make it easier for you I will republish some information from the first page because it appears you either chose to not read it or chose to ignore it.
------------------------------------------ The scale below was formed by SWFA sales staff, customer service, pro-staff and owners using personal experience, customer input and facts supplied by the manufacturers. The ranking system is based on the following criteria (in order of importance and weight).
1. Optical Quality - How bright and clear the scope is. 2. Specifications - Field of view, eye relief, weight, adjustment travel, etc. 3. Durability - How do they with stand the test of time. 4. Special Features & Options - Proprietary items (reticles, design, turrets), Zoom ratio. 5. Warranty & Customer Service - How good are they. 6. Value - Bang for your buck. In order to maintain the scale's simplicity we are not listing every single manufacture and only major manufactures will have several of their brands listed. Although I don’t feel your post deserves a respectful reply, I will attempt to respond to your comments. Yes BSA with Leapers. Leapers has made advancements over the last three years and not only expanded their optical offerings they have improved them (at least to BSA quality)….in the next few years they may be up to tasco quality. The scale is heavily waited toward the field that rifle scopes are most widely used in, which is hunting not target shooting or tactical shooting. Trijicon’s primary offering is a very simplistic prismatic fixed power tactical scope (ACOG). These scopes are very purpose built and do not offer much more than a combat optics for AR based platforms. If you look at the scale’s criteria you will see why Trijicon has been placed where they are, the scale is not based on one particular product offering or simply the optical performance, the ranking system is based on the following criteria (in order of importance and weight). 1. Optical Quality - How bright and clear the scope is. 2. Specifications - Field of view, eye relief, weight, adjustment travel, etc. 3. Durability - How do they with stand the test of time. 4. Special Features & Options - Proprietary items (reticles, design, turrets), Zoom ratio. 5. Warranty & Customer Service - How good are they. 6. Value - Bang for your buck. Here is a key part that you may not have read about our scale.
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Sled2live
Optics GrassHopper Joined: February/14/2006 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 39 |
Posted: February/16/2008 at 14:14 | |
Sooooo.... after all of the adjustments to the 2007 scale.....Where do I find the latest 2008 version ?
Thanks
Scott
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Chris Farris
TEAM SWFA - Admin swfa.com Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 8024 |
Posted: February/16/2008 at 14:19 | |
We are still compiling information for the updated scale. Many of the new lines and new products have just started shipping and we have not had enough time to accumulate sufficient information, so instead of waiting I will update what I can now and edit the first page of this thread. The main thread for this is here
The thread above can not be posted on, so this thread will continue to be the thread used for discussions pertaining to adjustments to the scale.
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357mag
Optics Journeyman Joined: September/29/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 323 |
Posted: February/16/2008 at 15:19 | |
What a total and complete jerk.
I don’t know what you do for a living or how many scopes you see daily or how much inside information you have about various optics and companies but I would greatly appreciate you posting your credentials Mr. Dolphin! |
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I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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koshkin
MODERATOR Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13181 |
Posted: February/16/2008 at 16:18 | |
Now that has go to be one of the rudest posts I have seen here lately. You could not find a more civilized way to disagree? While I do not entirely agree with this scale, I think it is generally more accurate that your take on scopes. Before you go off on another bout of trash-talking, consider how many scopes SWFA folks look at each year. Before you discard their opinion it may worth your while to double check your own. As for justifying your purchases, are you sure that your recent love affair with Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-10x56 is not a perfect example of your justifying a purchase of a fairly expensive scope? ILya Edited by koshkin - February/16/2008 at 16:18 |
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cheaptrick
MODERATOR Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20844 |
Posted: February/16/2008 at 16:33 | |
You need to post an apology Dolphin using the same "zeal" you used to piss on this thread.
Not sure what or WHO has gotten inside your head lately, but your out of line.
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pyro6999
Optics Retard OT TITAN Joined: December/22/2006 Location: North Dakota Status: Offline Points: 22034 |
Posted: February/16/2008 at 16:37 | |
im not sure whats up, but i dont think i would have handled that in that manner either, if you protest something i think you could have said it in a better tone than you did, your better than that d!
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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cyborg
Optics God Gaseous Clay Joined: August/24/2007 Location: North Georgia Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: February/16/2008 at 21:19 | |
WHAT THE ?..................HEY, Dolphin Brother calm down, There are as wass posted some adjustments that were in order and it was up to us to make those recommendations for the updates. Everyone is going to be somewhat partial to their favorite, I, and I am sure everyone else here will agree with that. Take it as information only, The scale isn't there, as a tool for insults.
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Dogger
Optics Jedi Master Joined: January/02/2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 8864 |
Posted: February/19/2008 at 08:25 | |
He could have stated his objections in a more positive manner for sure, but was he banned because he did not print an apology or did he make further inflamatory statements?
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God save the Empire!
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cyborg
Optics God Gaseous Clay Joined: August/24/2007 Location: North Georgia Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: February/19/2008 at 08:34 | |
I'm guessing that there was more to it than just what we read here.
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With Freedom comes great responsibility, you cannot have one without the other
An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects. OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause. Cyborg |
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tahqua
MODERATOR Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9042 |
Posted: February/19/2008 at 08:49 | |
I think your right, Cyborg and I was too generous in my response.
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cyborg
Optics God Gaseous Clay Joined: August/24/2007 Location: North Georgia Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: February/19/2008 at 09:31 | |
No Doug I think you were right in what you have said. Just right, not too much and not too little...........
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With Freedom comes great responsibility, you cannot have one without the other
An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects. OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause. Cyborg |
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Brock_Brett
Optics Apprentice Joined: November/13/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Posted: February/19/2008 at 10:46 | |
Getting in late on this one. Basically, it is a bunch of bullsh*t.
BSA with Leapers. Trijicon below any Leupold scope made. Burris FFII
in the same group as the Leupold Rifleman scope, not to mention the
Mueller and Swift scopes. Sightron is easily the equal of the Bushnell
4200s. A Swift in the same group as a Barska. Let get real. The
ratings scale in pure bullsh*t and should be trashed. I am not sure
there should be a scale, unless it is based on some objective testing
of, at least some type. Obviously the Euro scopes are going to land on
top. Who is going to spend 100,000 dollars on a Mercedes Benz and
complain about it. Same goes with Euro scopes. It is easy to find
faults with a cheap scope and complain about them. Same with a Kia,
although, I would not buy one of those. So, I would say, trash that
scale and never post it again and lets replace it with one at least
based on some objective data.
Wow, that looks like a post that I would see at the 24 HCF, not here Rob |
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Chris Farris
TEAM SWFA - Admin swfa.com Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 8024 |
Posted: February/19/2008 at 11:01 | |
We updated the scale....added some, expanded some brands, move many up and many down. I am going to lock this thread and start a new one here to discuss the latest scale and what ya'll think needs to be added or moved around.
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