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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/09/2007 at 16:38
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

...the 1" are assembled here which is less expensive and there is no duty (18-20%) because only parts are imported.....this is why they are such a value FYI.  Same for the Kahles.

 

Has something recently changed in this regard?  My Swaro AV scopes say "Made in Austria" on them and their magazine ads and owners manuals say all their scopes and binos are manufactured entirely in Absam, Austria.  The same goes for Kahles.  I have 2 AH series scopes, both of which also have "Made in Austria" labels on them and one of their people in Vienna told me in an email inquiry that their 1" scopes are made in Austria as well.  Zeiss Conquest scopes have parts made in Germany, with assembly in the US, and they are labeled Made in USA.

 

Also, I keep hearing that Swarovski and Kahles parted ways, yet when I recently sent a Kahles binocular in to get the rubber armoring replaced, I was instructed to send it to, and the repairs were done by, S.O.N.A.  Kahles US customer service center still has the same address as S.O.N.A., 1 Slater Rd, Cranston, RI.  I realize they have separate manufacturing locations, but their US service center is still in the same location.  What's up with that?

 

 

I don't know exactly how the law reads in regards to marking products Made in USA, vs. Made in Where-ever but it is my understanding that if a certain percentage of the work is done here you can legally claim, Made in the USA but I don't know if you have to claim that.  In other words it would be beneficial for a company that has it's products made i n Mexico to do some of the work here so they can claim Made in the USA.  It is much more prestigious to say Made in Austria or Made in Germany than it is to say Made in the USA.  The fact that the scopes are put together may not be something that Swarovski and or Kahles really want you to know.

 

Swarovski and Kahles parted ways as far as sharing technologies, Kahles is still owned by Swarovski Optik and they will continue to use the same physical address for landing, distributing, assembling and repairing products most likely because it would not be financially beneficial to build and operate two locations in the U.S.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/09/2007 at 17:18

Originally posted by bigant bigant wrote:

Why would it take a year or so for the New Monarch to overtake the Conquest?  Is that due to it being new and needs to be in everyones hands for a period of time?  However, I'm reading between the lines and the New Monarch is above the Conquest, but needs to be on the market for one to be able to make that statement.

 

Also I have heard horror stories about Nikons CS, so is that going to change?

 

Ps. Been reading for awhile, and decided to take part in this great forum.

 

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It needs to be on the market for a while to see how well they hold up.  We already know how they compare optically and spec wise.

 

Nikon does have very bad customer service and has for a long time.  Once the new Monarchs starting landing in late September we'll start testing their customer service at the same time we are testing the product so that we can position them correctly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/09/2007 at 17:22
Originally posted by Focus Focus wrote:

Are the new monarchs out and being evaluated yet? Are you just expecting them to hang with the conquest optically or will the higher rating be the improved eye relief, constant eye relief, and 4fold power increase? I'm real curious about just where the monarch will place optically compared to the conquest. Perhaps I'm rushing the process if they aren't even available for comparing yet in asking these questions. Has anybody actually seen and looked thru one?

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They will not be available to the public until late September.  We've played with pre-production models for a while and the specs are in print, I bumped them up primarily for the reasons you noted.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/09/2007 at 17:24
Originally posted by bigant bigant wrote:

The new Monarchs are available....From what I have read about the new Monarchs and what SWFA has listed on  there website discribing the new Monarchs, plus I know of one dist that has some of the Morach X's, the 1" Monarchs instock.

 

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The new Monarch X scopes are available but they are really a different animal, the new 4x erector Monarchs are not available yet.

 

You can see some of the info about them at www.TheNewMonarch.com

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/09/2007 at 19:20
Thank you for the info Chris.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/09/2007 at 19:32
Yes thanks and by the way, I agree with you on the "yankees" comment......

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/10/2007 at 08:58

6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch, Zeiss Conquest

5 - Leupold Mark 4 VX III & VX-L

 

HMMM

I think I would have to rate these all on the same line or at least carry the Zeiss conquest on line 6 and drop the 4200 and Monarch to line 5. My reasons are several among which is a sore spot on the top of my nose from a new Bushnell 4200 4-16x40 that I couldnt get to shoot a decent group at 100 yds  on a 30-06 pro hunter Encore yesterday. Great glass but I could have used a tad more eye relief ouch. I think that the amount of internal adjustment on the Leupold models is surperior to many other scopes and they come in a staggering array of styles including reticle patterns that make a significant difference. The last two Nikons I bought both went back but I have had very VERY little trouble with my Leupolds. Yes they are over priced so is most anything that says made in the U.S. but a hit with a Leupold because the reticle gave you a known hold over point beats a miss with a Kahles $$ that gives you a great view of bambi running away. There really is more than just glass to consider. I am deciding on a tactical scope right now and I really would like to go with a U.S. Optics, Hensold, S&B, but three grand is out of my range  Nightforce would be a possibility but cant trade into one here, IOR would be a posibility but Badger doesnt make 35mm rings so that leaves LEUPOLD  doesnt it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/10/2007 at 11:33

The IOR 35MM is a much better scope and overall in a different class than the Mark 4 and better than the NF IMO,

forget the fact that it is available in a FFP even in the SFP it is better than the NF but in the same price bracket it also comes with free TPS 35MM rings. Here is the great Longbow308 who recently won his first match ever with his on a factory rifle.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/10/2007 at 13:52

I like the IOR glass but the rings I am not familiar with.  So far I am interested in two new models naturally neither of which is available.

LEUPOLD® MARK 4®
6.5-20x50mm LR/T® M1
FRONT FOCAL  http://www.leupold.com/_pdfs/L248-008014_Mk4_LRT_FF_SS.pdf

 

OR

 

301848 New IOR 3-18x42 Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope                                                                               New IOR 3-18x42 Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • MP-8
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • First Focal Plain Reticle
  • Free IOR 35mm Medium Rings w/ Purchase
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/10/2007 at 13:58
Best of luck with your choice and set up. TPS rings are world class, there should be no worries there if you go with the IOR.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/30/2007 at 13:15
Were we ever able to determine where the Grand Slam is being made now?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/08/2008 at 10:38
I feel it is wrong to put Kahles and Schmidt & Bender before Swarovski PH (or PV as they are named in Europe)PH is at better scope than S&B and Kahles in my opinion. Zeiss Classic is at least as good as Kahles and S&B perhaps even better.Many european tests indicates the same thing.  I'am not sure how good Swarovski Z6 is ,but I agree that Zeiss V should be at top. Except for one thing; the V model have a lot of problems "many" of them had to be sent back for repair. In  european hunting forums some people says they won't buy more Zeiss V just because of this even if the optics are better than any other scopes..
 
In some tests I have seen both Zeiss V , Zeiss Classic and Swarovski PH scored 10/10 points for use in twilight and darkness,even if Zeiss V and Classic had a little higher total score.  Kahles , S&B Klassik and Zenith all came behind the two top brands Zeiss and Swarovski
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/08/2008 at 12:08
Where would you place the Bushnell 6500 on your scale Chris?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/12/2008 at 16:25

I have a new Kahles ZF-84 6x42 that I mounted on a HK-91 with the HK Claw clamp and I am having trouble adjusting the elevation using my bore-siter, which is a lazer slip in the end of the barrel type.  When I pick up the dot it shows I am low and when I turn the top turret it will bring the the dot up but not all the way to the X.  What gives,\

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/12/2008 at 16:34
Originally posted by Handler Handler wrote:

I have a new Kahles ZF-84 6x42 that I mounted on a HK-91 with the HK Claw clamp and I am having trouble adjusting the elevation using my bore-siter, which is a lazer slip in the end of the barrel type.  When I pick up the dot it shows I am low and when I turn the top turret it will bring the the dot up but not all the way to the X.  What gives,\

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/12/2008 at 18:53
Getting in late on this one.  Basically, it is a bunch of bullsh*t.  BSA with Leapers.  Trijicon below any Leupold scope made.  Burris FFII in the same group as the Leupold Rifleman scope, not to mention the Mueller and Swift scopes.  Sightron is easily the equal of the Bushnell 4200s.  A Swift in the same group as a Barska.  Let get real.  The ratings scale in pure bullsh*t and should be trashed.  I am not sure there should be a scale, unless it is based on some objective testing of, at least some type.  Obviously the Euro scopes are going to land on top.  Who is going to spend 100,000 dollars on a Mercedes Benz and complain about it.  Same goes with Euro scopes.  It is easy to find faults with a cheap scope and complain about them.  Same with a Kia, although, I would not buy one of those.  So, I would say, trash that scale and never post it again and lets replace it with one at least based on some objective data.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/12/2008 at 19:04
Come on Dolphin.....how do you really feel :>) I agree there are some real out of place positions on some but I guess its just to give a general idea. I agree the big skys are the equal of 4200's but not the plain Sll's. I think the Fullfield ll is between the VX l and VX ll's. About like the 3200 elite. Nobodys gonna agree with all the ratings for sure. I've never used a Kia scope but believe they are poor on edge to edge clarity......

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/12/2008 at 19:40
one set up by koshkin would be great!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/13/2008 at 05:20
I think Chris and SWFA should give one control group of, say...a thousand of us "testers" ...a Swarovski Z6, and then give the second control group a thousand Zeiss Victorys-- so we can wring them out in the field, and come to some Hard Data Conclusions.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/13/2008 at 06:32
Oh......he didn't give you one to test Ed? Maybe next time around you'll get one too......:>) I hear they will sending some BSA's out soon.......

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