New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - SWFA Scope Scale Discussion Thread (2008)
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Check GunBroker.com for SWFA's No Reserve and No Minimum bid firearm auctions.

SWFA Scope Scale Discussion Thread (2008)

 Post Reply Post Reply   Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options Page  < 1 7 89
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 16:07
supertool73 View Drop Down
Optics God
Optics God
Avatar
Superstool

Joined: January/03/2008
Location: Utah
Status: Offline
Points: 10354
Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

actually I find killing yotes and wolves disgusting, its a dog, unless its for keeping your animals or self safe, its just wrong do you have a dog? can I shot it?, you all are right I am wrong have a good day..
What more you want?
Like kids at the lunch table..
When I get more time I will close out my account, obviously I am in the wrong place..
have a good day


Finally the cat is out of the bag.  You are honestly trying to sit here and tell us who are hunters and have been hunting game for years and years that you who does not believe in hunting and obviously has no experience in it what is the best gear to use? 

Gents we have another Mall Ninja in our ranks Loco
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 16:18
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7790
Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

actually I find killing yotes and wolves disgusting, its a dog, unless its for keeping your animals or self safe, its just wrong do you have a dog? can I shot it?, you all are right I am wrong have a good day..
What more you want?
Like kids at the lunch table..
When I get more time I will close out my account, obviously I am in the wrong place..
have a good day
 
That pretty much says it all right there.  Comparing Coyotes to pets is like comparing benchrest scopes to hunting scopes.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 16:34
cyborg View Drop Down
Optics God
Optics God
Avatar
God of Wind

Joined: August/24/2007
Location: North Georgia
Status: Offline
Points: 12082
I left my condoms in my other wallet, so I won't be touching this one. Whistling
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 17:53
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22034
Laugh Above
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 17:59
omahaguy View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice


Joined: December/03/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 66
Hey Chris they do use the same scopes, and yotes are still dog's sorry man, and killing any dog for fun, or other then pest control is just wrong, and yes I am a card carrying NRA member, But Thats fine. The more you all talk the more you sound like condescending Liberals, sad really.. But it is a testiment to ones creed. People really shouldnt berate others senselessly, it creates the impression of shallowness..
 
Thank you..
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:17
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7790
Coyotes by definition are pest and problematic for anyone and anything in their path, much like feral hogs.  Coyotes are shoot on site.  Their populations need to be kept in check and with no other predator to do so, it is our responsibility.  They are so bad in Texas that they snatch "real" dogs right off a leash in neighborhoods.  Tell little Billy who just saw Fluffy eaten alive that Coyotes should not be shot.  I did not berate you nor am I shallow and if anyone is coming off as being a liberal you need to re-read your take on Coyotes as you sound more like a card carrying PETA member not an NRA member.
 
I do not think you will find anyone that has spent any real time outside of the city that thinks Coyotes are worthy of being anything other than dead.  I know they have a role in nature as does everything and I am not for wiping them off the planet.......just keeping them in check.  Go spend some time on a ranch and spend some time hunting and you will see it from a hunter's and outdoorsman's perspective.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:24
Roy Finn View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Steiner Junkie

Joined: April/05/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4856
Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

actually I find killing yotes and wolves disgusting, its a dog, unless its for keeping your animals or self safe, its just wrong do you have a dog? can I shot it?, you all are right I am wrong have a good day..
What more you want?

Like kids at the lunch table..

When I get more time I will close out my account, obviously I am in the wrong place..

have a good day


If it will help you at all, I can close it right now.

Roy
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:25
trigger29 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar
X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ?

Joined: September/29/2007
Location: South Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 4341
Don't waste your breath Chris. He knows all he wants to know already. You won't get anything else in that head.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:25
helo18 View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight
Avatar

Joined: December/02/2006
Location: Montana
Status: Offline
Points: 5532
Omahaguy,

I am extending an invitation to you to come up to Montana for an education on coyote and wolves, whom you call dogs.  They do nothing but destroy wildlife, livestock, and pets.  The livelyhood of ranchers and farmers depend on their livestock, and that means controlling the predators (coyotes and wolves) that kill them.  You sound like an animal first kind of guy.  Why don't you come up and see what life is really like?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:30
koshkin View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar
Dark Lord of Optics

Joined: June/15/2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 11738
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Coyotes by definition are pest and problematic for anyone and anything in their path, much like feral hogs.  Coyotes are shoot on site.  Their populations need to be kept in check and with no other predator to do so, it is our responsibility.  They are so bad in Texas that they snatch "real" dogs right off a leash in neighborhoods.  Tell little Billy who just saw Fluffy eaten alive that Coyotes should not be shot.  I did not berate you nor am I shallow and if anyone is coming off as being a liberal you need to re-read your take on Coyotes as you sound more like a card carrying PETA member not an NRA member.
 
I do not think you will find anyone that has spent any real time outside of the city that thinks Coyotes are worthy of being anything other than dead.  I know they have a role in nature as does everything and I am not for wiping them off the planet.......just keeping them in check.  Go spend some time on a ranch and spend some time hunting and you will see it from a hunter's and outdoorsman's perspective.

Admit it Chirs, you are just out to avenge Jessica Simpson's dog:


ILya
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:33
omahaguy View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice


Joined: December/03/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 66
Chris I agree with that last post if they are doing damage then they need to be killed, I have no problems killing things I am not a bleeding heart liberal, as I am sure there are some members that saw the 0311 comment and knew what I was talking about.
So dont mistake what I said with being soft.. I have shot things many here never will..
many people like me relied on or "leaned" on dogs very much, and although you perhaps cant appreciate it, I find it hard to kill something that was such an asset, even if it is a more destructive breed... Being that most here are civi's you'll probably never understand..
 
Thank you very much
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:36
omahaguy View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice


Joined: December/03/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 66
Helo do you have a contact number? I would be happy to take you up on that, I am not a closed minded person.. and for the record no I am not an animal first kinda guy... Im not a fan of the PETA people sorry man. I have 5 kids they come first 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:38
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7790
I understand perfectly and I respect your service to our country as a U.S. Marine very much and that instanly gains much respect for you from me.  I love dogs very much and have never been without one as a pet my entire life.  I am very much an animal person and agree that animals should not be shot just for the sake of shooting them.....but Coyotes have earned their reputation and shooting one is not done without purpose.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:45
omahaguy View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice


Joined: December/03/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 66
Thank you very much,
perhaps its just the 2 days of digging out of this snow has made me a whiny girl,
and considering you have more exp in this area I will yield to your expertise in regards to this arguement, thank you for entertaining it..
 
Thank you 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:47
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22034
when i was calling coyotes hard core, i was doing it for the money more than anything else. its great practice for big game hunting too, it also protects livestock and other big game animals by "controlling the population"
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:48
RifleDude View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar

Joined: October/13/2006
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 14980
Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

this will most likely be my last post on this subject, some are saying thank god im sure..lol..
Ok lots of the people shooting 1000yards use the same Leupold 8.5-25x50 that many hunters use, actually here are some of the scopes used and I am sure youll agree that they are also used for hunting,
nightforce nsx 8-32 and 12-42
Zeiss Diavari 6-24
Premier 5-25
Burris Black diamond 6-24 and 8-32
IOR Valdada 6-24 and 9-36.
Actually many guys use their Bench Rest guns for their hunting rig as-well, esp. the 6xc and 6br and 6br wildcats, they take everything from deer to p-dogs and then the x rings at matches. So as far as bench rest scopes or rifles being different than used for hunting or that they are cumbersome or not designed to meet the rigors of hunting, that is just not the case, there are some that use their BR gun for tactical matches as-well, and any one familier with those will tell you that those guns and scopes get put through hell.
There guns in the heavy gun class that would not be practical for hunting, some of them are 60+ pounds, but again these are used by some for long range hunting off a bench, and some of these monsters have dropped deer at 1000+ yards.
 
As for the testing part opinions will vary I agree totally..
 
Thank you..
 
 
The scopes you listed are all lousy general purpose hunting scopes for the average hunter... sorry.  Too large and not enough FOV on the low end.  Also, none of the scopes you list are used in short range benchrest, where they don't use variables.  Variables are used in 1000 yd benchrest.  Again, what is used in benchrest is not a good gauge of which scopes are good for most shooting and hunting applications. 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:48
Chris Farris View Drop Down
TEAM SWFA - Admin
TEAM SWFA - Admin
Avatar
swfa.com

Joined: October/01/2003
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 7790
omahaguy,
 
When you are ready to buy a scope, please get in touch with me directly.  Do not order it online or through one of our sales people.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 18:49
helo18 View Drop Down
Optics Jedi Knight
Optics Jedi Knight
Avatar

Joined: December/02/2006
Location: Montana
Status: Offline
Points: 5532
Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

Helo do you have a contact number? I would be happy to take you up on that, I am not a closed minded person.. and for the record no I am not an animal first kinda guy... Im not a fan of the PETA people sorry man. I have 5 kids they come first 


Sure I'll PM you my email.  I have two coyotes right now out harassing the cows, although I doubt they will make it past the weekend.  Come calving season things get interesting.

I am not calling you closed minded.  Most people have a reason for killing predators.  Proper population control, threat to livestock, threat to other wildlife.  The only PETA I support is People Eating Tasty Animals.

And I am also a dog lover.  The only way I could ever shoot a dog, is if it is a threat.  I am not a heartless killer, but I have no problems shooting animals that are a problem. 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 19:02
omahaguy View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice


Joined: December/03/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 66
Chris I will do that, but it will be after tax returns, if thats ok?..
5 kids moneys tight..lol..
 
Thank you very much
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2009 at 19:38
RifleDude View Drop Down
MODERATOR
MODERATOR
Avatar

Joined: October/13/2006
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 14980
Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

Actually many guys use their Bench Rest guns for their hunting rig as-well, esp. the 6xc and 6br and 6br wildcats, they take everything from deer to p-dogs and then the x rings at matches. So as far as bench rest scopes or rifles being different than used for hunting or that they are cumbersome or not designed to meet the rigors of hunting, that is just not the case, there are some that use their BR gun for tactical matches as-well, and any one familier with those will tell you that those guns and scopes get put through hell.
 
Yes, there are always some guys who will do most anything, but does that mean the practice is best for everyone?  Can you honestly say that a benchrest rifle and high magnification scope would be the best recommendation as a general purpose hunting rifle to Joe Average Hunter who has no interest in competitive shooting?  Not only is a benchrest rig way more cost prohibitive and heavy than necessary, the typical benchrest stock is about the worst shape possible for a hunting stock that may be used for quick offhand shots, the scopes and reticles used are poor choices for most types of hunting, and the triggers are way too light for hunting use.   Then, there's the extensive wait time and custom gunsmith work to have one built, since no real BR rifle can be bought off the shelf.  I don't think anyone you cite at 6mmBR.com, Benchrest Central, or any other place catering to competitive would agree with your statements at all.  I do agree that a benchrest rifle makes a fine fair weather varmint rifle off a bench for prairie dogs and other vermin (I have one I use for that purpose), and it can make an o.k. deer rifle if hunting from a blind where you have a solid rest, but that's about it as far as being well suited for any hunting you can name vs. a typical factory sporting rifle.  I highly doubt any benchrest shooter you can cite would recommend one for any other shooting discipline than what it was specifically designed for -- benchrest shooting.  Even if a benchrest rig would make a good hunting rig, a serious benchrest shooter who is interested in being competitive wouldn't waste accurate barrel life of his expensive competition rifle on hunting shots.  The benchrest shooters I know use entirely different rifles and scopes for hunting than they do for competition.  Benchrest rifles and benchrest scopes make very poor hunting rigs for the vast majority of the hunting the average hunter would ever engage in.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/21/2009 at 17:24
NDhunter View Drop Down
Optics Journeyman
Optics Journeyman
Avatar

Joined: September/15/2006
Status: Offline
Points: 402

Has this thread been updated, to be called the "2009" Riflescope Rating Scale. ?

I liked the 2008 Rating scale.  Are there any changes for 2009 to this.
 
I just found the posts from Omahaguy,  any coyote that gets near my new Brittany pup, is mince meat.  Amusing.
 
 
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  < 1 7 89
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Similar Threads: "SWFA Scope Scale Discussion Thread (2008)"
Subject Author Forum Replies Last Post
SWFA Scope Scale Discussion Thread Chris Farris Rifle Scopes 78 8/10/2007 1:58:25 PM
SWFA Scope Scale Discussion Thread NDhunter Rifle Scopes 3
SWFA Scope Scale Discussion Thread (2009) Chris Farris Rifle Scopes 211
Chris- How about a scope scale ranking thread juslearnin Rifle Scopes 2
2010 SWFA Scope Scale Chris Farris Rifle Scopes 0
2009 SWFA Riflescope Rating Scale SamC Rifle Scopes 3
SWFA Ratings Scale? lewwetzel Rifle Scopes 2
SWFA Ratings Scale? onfinal Spotting Scopes 2
New Leupold 2008 LCS Target Scope 333smitty Target 1
Scope Quest 2008 Review Black n Tan Spotting Scopes 2


This page was generated in 0.563 seconds.