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Heres the score guys... Im picking up my hs precision htr in a .308 in a little over a week.... and i need to choose a scope along with it... i will be ordering from this site. im really torn on what to purchase... basically i have narrowed it down to fixed and variable:

 

Fixed:  Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 10x40   in m1 or m3... im thinking the m3 due to the bdc dial

          

           U.S. Optics ST10 10x44

 

the reasons i would like to go fixed are because i have heard that (i am probably wrong) that changing magnification while shooting at extreme distances can alter the zero  if u could help me out in clarifying the advantages and disadvantages of both types (variable vs fixed)

 

the variable scopes i have considered are

 

Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 3.5-10x40 (m1 or m3... again leaning towards m3

  • Matte
  • Illuminated Mil-Dot

Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 6.5-20x50 (m1 or m3 as u know leaning on the m3)

  • Matte
  • Illuminated Mil-Dot

Nikon Tactical 2.5-10x44

  • Matte
  • Illuminated Mil-Dot

Nikon Tactical 4-16x50

  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot

all these rifles save the nikon 4-16x50 are offered in illuminated reticles... keep in  mind before taxes and

shipping i am not willing to cross the  $1500 threshold...  please offer your opinions on illuminated vs non illum, my choices on magnification... clarity of each scope, durability, repeatability... basically i want the best scope that i can get for this rifle.... spending less then 1500 

 an yes i know i said swfa and ranburr ... but please if u have any experience with the scopes i have listed please give your input thank you for your time
 Also what is the warranty on a illuminated ret for these manufacturers



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what will you be using it for??? if doing any type of hunting, i would go witht he 3.5-10x40 M3. really long range target i would use the 6.5-20 M1 to get up on em, or the 10x would do fine too, but i would opt for the 6.5-20. as for the illumination, you could get it, but you dont have to use it, and jsut have it there incase you want it. SWFA does not show the M3 available on the 6.5-20 model. the only problem mght be that for the mildot to be true, i 'think' it has to be on 20x, but im not certain, it may be diff on this model, but its that way on thr PR 4.5-14, it has to be on the top power for the mildot to be true.

 

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If you want a true tactical, carry through the mud, drop on rocks, take a pounding scope, I would get the fixed 10X U.S. Optics scope.  It is the toughest scope that I know of.  Illuminated reticles require batteries which go out and the reticle itself can be damaged.  I believe most all illuminated reticle scopes have a 1yr warranty.  I'm not quite sure how to explain this but parallex becomes much more of an issue on scopes above 10X.  Chris can probably give the science behind this.  I don't think that any of the scopes you are looking at are bad, I just know what I like and what is proven. 

 

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ok hunting is not a question....  im going to buy a different rifle for hunting applications i guess i would eventually like to take the rifle cartridge out to its effective range... 800m  i do plan on attempting some 1000yard shots down the road ...... i want to be etremely effective out till about 500m and just clang metal targets out beyond that....  the us optics has caught my attention... a 10x fixed does seem viable to do what intend to do.... i just dont want to limit myself i guess.... also if i were to get a higher magnification i could maybe skimp out on a spotting scope for while...  like i said the us optics does have me very interested in a 10x fixed... so i guess im looking for an all around scope that i can paper punch out to 300-500 yards.... and shoot metal silhouets beyond that to around 800-1000 i would prefer an american made scope however i will not limit myself in that regard...... also chris can u get nightforce scopes at all? keep the opinions comin guys i appreciate all of your input

 



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for paper punching out that far, nd steel targets any smaller than 8" i would get the leupold 6.5-20. only because i liek to really see my target, or somewhat. a 10x jsut doesnt get me as close as i want to be at 800-1000 yds. i want atleast a 14, or 16 power on the top end. that reminds me, have you looked at the super sniper lineup, for target shooting, i dont think you can beat it. a 16x would be perfect for your application. as for night force, i dont think they can get them, if they cant, i have a couple links.

 

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let me refraise my sentence, you cen beat it, but not for under $800.

 

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yeah i have been lookin at the ss lineup.... theres gotta be catch.... what department do they lack in compared to the other scopes... are they etched glass orwire rets.... redneck thanks for helping me out by the way..

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no problem. i have 1 SS scope. a SS10X42 which i have on my RRA ar15 and have killed a groundhog at 496 at with no problem. in a clarity comparison at 15 mins before dark, it shined over my 2003 VXIII 4.5-14x40. it has very very exact 1/4 MOA adjustments you can feel very well, and i really mess with those knobs, they dont just get zeroed and left alone, they get a work out, and they are just as exact as it was the day i got it.

 

http://www.varminthunters.com/showcases/SWFASS/ check out that link. the scope shown there is the scope that i have, that exact one. i DID NOT so the review, the board owner did it, but i bought the scope from him. and it is NICE to say the least. i would highly recommend the 16X42 for your application, it would be my first choice.

 

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cory do u think that a ss 10x or 16x will out perform a leupold of the same mag..... basically i guess im looking for a scope that has enough elevation to take a .308 out to 1000yards but stil has 1/4 moa clicks  to be precise up close at 100 yards  the ss does seem like a good option but i just want to get the absolute most out of this rifle...
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i dont know if it will outpreform the leupodl of the same power in clarity, it might not, but i have not tried the new mrak 4's with the index matched lens sytem, so i cannot speak for that. but, im pretty sure the SS has more windage/elevation travel so that you can comensate for the drop of a 308. i wont swear to it, but i think it does. i can find out, then ill post it here.

 

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ok, heres the limited stuff i could find out. i couldnt get the info on the 10X M1, becuase my comp wouldnt let me open the page for some reason, but to see it, you can go to www.leupold.com - tactical operations - scopes - 10X M1.

 

the leupold 10X M3 has 75 MOA elevation, and 52 MOA windage.

the 16X M1 has 140 MOA E, and 45 MOA W

and im pretty sure the SS10X42 has 120 MOA E, and im not positive about windage.

 

let me correct myself about the SS16X42. i dont think that is going to be your best bet. i think the SS10X42 would fit you better, because the 16 has alot of mirage, and a much smaller exit pupil. but the 10X will get you out to 1000 yds on sihlouettes jusfine. (i know, my spelling sucks)

 

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hey guys i think i may purchase a conquest with a mil dot reticle and target knobs... this one specifically http://www.riflescopes.com/products/5214559943/zeiss_conques t_4.5-14x44.htm

 

is anyone here familiar with the tracking and repeatability  of this scopes... also what are the limitations if any of a 1inch scope vs a 30mm

 

also chris... can u get http://www.riflescopes.com/products/5214209943/zeiss_conques t_3.5-10x44.htm with target knobs and side focus knob as i would prefer 10x max



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the 1" tube is going to be a little less clear, and have less windage/elevation adjustments. but, that is a great scope

 

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anyone know if Zeiss makes lens shades for the conquest>?
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The Conquest 4.5-14x44 is a fine scope with very precise repeatable adjustments.  In fact the Conquest uses a square saddle assembly so that windage adjustments can not affect elevation and vise versa.  Here is a quote off their site.

 

Square Reticle Adjustment
The Zeiss approach to altering windage and elevation, where the movement of one adjustment does not alter the position of the other adjustment. Our adjustment range is square, unlike most conventional riflescopes. This offsets the reticle's natural tendency to follow a curving path, which makes it all but impossible to sight-in accurately. What is the result of square reticle adjustment? Maximum adjustment accuracy at all times.

The only limitation to using the one inch tube over the 30mm tube is elevation travel, this scope has 43 inches of elevation travel.

 

There are no sun shades available for the Conquest, but you can use a Butler Creek Flip Up along with a SunGuard.

 

Only the 4.5-14 and 6.5-20 are available with the side focus parallax, sorry.

 

Of the three you are deciding among (Nikon Tactical, Zeiss Conquest or Leupold Mark 4) I think the Nikon Tactical better fits this rifle and your requirements because of the variable magnification (it does not go over 10x and that is what you like), 30mm tube allows enough elevation for 1000 yards, very nice tactical adjustments and side focus parallax.  These scopes were built from the ground up to be long range tactical, heavy duty scopes.

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chris i was looking through a conquest the other day.. to say ythe least i was very impressed with the sight picture.. is the nikon any less or more impressive?
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They are very similar with a slight edge going to the Zeiss in low light.

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and a night force comapred to those 2>?

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Not sure.  I have never compared a NF to either.  They make a fine scope and I can't imagine it being lessor than either.
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