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That was wild. 

 

I would not have liked being one of the 2+ officers (and cameramen) who were directly accross (and therefore directly in the line of fire) from the cops taking the shots. (For that matter, I wouldn't have wanted to live in any of the houses directly across the street either.

 

It also concerns me that - at such minimal range - the guy was still only hit once.  The Police spokesman tried to explain that shooting through cars is difficult but, with the volume of fire being laid down, I don't buy that as a good explanation. 

 

The TV personality (sorry, I don't know his name) was especially cheesy in the opening montage as they staged a SWAT officer handing him a shotgun. 



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its like ron white says in his standup bit talking about the cops in georgia or some place on the east coast the cops shot 2 clips of 9mm ammo and didnt even hit the suburban the criminal shot 2 shots and killed 3 people. i dont understand how they even qualify to carry a gun!!
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It's really difficult for bullets to go through cars" say's the spokesman for the cops.

 

I wonder if he would sit in an unamored vehilce and let me shoot at him with a 5.56mm semi auto rifle??

 

What a bunch of clowns!!

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

It's really difficult for bullets to go through cars" say's the spokesman for the cops.

 

I wonder if he would sit in an unamored vehilce and let me shoot at him with a 5.56mm semi auto rifle??

 

What a bunch of clowns!!

That is one of the reasons the M4 is replacing the MP5 and variants. The handgun rounds in SMG's can't touch the rifle rounds even when fired from short barreled weapons. The caveat is that rifle rounds are extremely loud indoors where communication is important.

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I'm glad to be in such elite company as you guys. I'm learning so much. I didn't realize we had so many experts in gunfighting. When you're sitting on the toilet fantasizing over your riflescope magazine, bring a dictionary and look up the word wannabe.
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It would appear that we have struck a sensitive little nerve...

 

The sad fact of the matter is that the majority of cops I have known, especially those in urban environments (yes, even the sacred "SWAT" officers) know suprisingly little about both firearms and ballistics.   Of course, there are exceptions but, that tends to be the rule.

 

 

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Originally posted by SwattedOut SwattedOut wrote:

I'm glad to be in such elite company as you guys. I'm learning so much. I didn't realize we had so many experts in gunfighting. When you're sitting on the toilet fantasizing over your riflescope magazine, bring a dictionary and look up the word wannabe.

 

SO:

They acted inappropriately and indiscriminately during the video, to put it mildly. 

 

If you want to argue the fact that shooting to wards other SWAT officers and civilians to stop a "suspected drug dealer" was a solid tactical move, be my guest.

Nobody is above criticism, not even SWAT.

 

I'm not commenting anymore on this thread.

If I offended YOU personally, please accept my apologies.

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Nah, cheaptrick, you're pretty much right in your observations.Maybe I had too much coffee or too much rootman.
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Why should cops be good shots?  Does the police or community pay for the tons of ammo and endless hours necessary.(to say nothing for the commitment) it takes to get to a certain level of proficency? Oh its their job. Then the pay, if someone told me I had to take fire for what cops get, the obsence explicatives wouldn't stop for a good while. And then who really wants a bunch of Wyatt Earps running around in condition red? I sure don't--some of them get pretty edgey when they find I'm packin--sure as hell don't want it to escalate. Assume on the other hand that the police were everything you saw on tv. -- now we can all hand over a evolutionary right of self defense because people like Hillary Clinton are to chicken sh*t to do it themselves.

I'm suprized they didn't shot one of their own (friendly fire?) The guy with sheriff on the back had it right, he was behind the guys with guns, didn't care whose side swat were on.  Possibly bad tactics, but certainly a tragedy. Police are asked to perform military duty in the streets, and the military is asked to perform police duties in war, sounds like the problem is somewhere else. But then that's the price for individual rights.

 

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Well I have a rather critical take on this based on experience. First I dont like the fact that several officers opened up on the vehicle without regard to officers in the line of fire across the street. I have seen it time and again where officers swarm the suspect from all sides - this is stupid and we need to do better. It is much better to ram the vehicle or block the vehicle with other vehicles. Just because you shoot the driver doesnt mean the vehicle won't run over someone. Hello there boys why is everyone standing around rather than in a cover position behind vehicles. Yes sadly most officers I have worked with are marginal shooters and not interested in getting beter that takes time and money. Alternatively I have been top shooter in every department I have worked for and I only have a one in three success rate of bullets striking bad guys - stress is a huge factor when you are not really expecting the situation to go bad. Probably what bothers me more is the vehicle slowed as if to stop untill they started shooting. Heigh - I got 3 days off when a perp tried to run over me with a vehicle and I dove to the side and shot at the rear tire as it passed. The idea being that I could have shot him dead as long as he was comming at me but the split second that he got even with me and was driving past was too late and no longer self defense. That's a really fine line to have crossed when you are diving out of the way with a Colt 45acp with a light trigger that went off when you hit the ground on your right shoulder. I wasn't real happy about that call but it does clearly identify the line.  I will also add this - obviously we lealrned nothing from the Branch Dividians in Waco - we sent SWAT with 9mm and were surprised when H&K 91s in .308 took them out. DUH - I wouldn't take a 9mm to a knife fight I dont care if it is full auto and I don't feel a lot more kindly toward .223 i really think you need a larger heavier slug as in .30 cal rifles and 40+ cal pistols.  I look at this video and just wonder how many of the guys on the camera side were picking 9mm slugs out of their kelvar.

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i agree if i were a cop i too wouldnt pack anything smaller than 40 and .308, part of the problem was that the lead armored vehicle missed the suspect vehicle on the right sidewalk, i feel if they would have made visual contact with that vehicle the whole scene would have been different, just bad timing there, i know how it is when the adreniline is pumping and i can imagine what those cops where thinking when that car was barreling towards them, its the same feeling i get when i am en-route to a fire the sirens blare the speeds increase and the excitiment increases as well, you dont think you just react which is so dangerous we spend many hours trainging ourselves to remain calm no matter how wild things may get, because your brain is the most dangerous weapon on the streets, if you calm down take your time to evaluate the situation you can make things go so much easier, if you panic you or someone else could die as a result, now being a firefighter is different than being a policeman on the street fearing his life, so your reaction time has to be significantly faster, and the dangers are of the human type where firemen deal with building construction and mother nature and occasionally chemistry, friendly fire on the fire scene isnt usually a huge deal like it would be for the cops, water is a lot more forgiving than bullets, but at the same time tactics and communication must be applied so nobody does get hurt.
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